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Title: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: JediPatrick on May 08, 2014, 08:08:07 PM
Hey guys,

Just wondering if we can all follow some basic rules from now on and up until after the release of Episode VII.

Many people, like myself, will be completely avoiding looking at and reading material from either official sources or rumors, as any of this spoiler info could ruin the fun and surprise involved in seeing the new movie for the first time.

So, I was wondering if it would make sense to put "SPOILERS - EPISODE VII" in Subject headers of any topic that relates to Episode VII.

I would also be greatful if we could also not give away too much in the Subject headers. Stuff like: "Han's horrible death scene", "Chewie's bride", "Jaina's lightsaber" and "Luke's evil fall" are example of stuff that, just by glancing at the topic header in the forums, will completely give away major plots lines and will undoubtly ruin the fun for most people (by the way, these are not real topics, I just invented them).

Sorry if this is redundant and already discussed... I just wanted to make sure we try to refrain ourselves from giving away too much at this stage, as the enthusiasm for the next movie installment will certainly have most of us carried away in the coming months. :)

EDITED - SOME GUIDELINES

1. PLEASE DO NOT post spoilers in your topic headings.

2. PLEASE INCLUDE EP VII SPOILERS or similar in your topic headings IF your post is going to contain them.

3. SPECULATION DOES NOT EQUAL SPOILERS. Any topic you read here at Snowtroopers.ca is liable to contain some general speculation about the movie. There will be NO WAY to avoid this stuff, so read at your own risk.

4. PLEASE ADD SPOILER WARNINGS EVEN IN YOUR POSTS. Use something like **SPOILERS BELOW** and leave a few lines of blank space so it's not on the screen when someone first sees it & has to scroll down if they want to look. These are especially courteous in topics about figures or toys, where a photo of an action feature can SERIOUSLY lead to conclusions about the movie (EP II Anakin's arm falling off on Jay Leno anyone????).
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: sinkie on May 08, 2014, 09:28:20 PM
But there is a difference between speculating and spoiling right? I mean if off the top of my head I say, hey maybe this might happen, I don't have to flag that as a spoiler, right? We're talking about "things we come across or hear about that may or may not be true", things that claim to have come from more than pure speculation?
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: Brent Peconi on May 09, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
Id say just put all Ep 7 related topics/threads into a separate area... that way everything is in one place for people to either avoid or to go explore.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: jjreason on May 09, 2014, 03:06:21 PM
It's going to be VERY difficult to avoid spoilers. That being said, I will also be trying my best & would appreciate similar courtesy to that described above. I'm going to sticky this topic & keep it in the Wampa Cave. I'm also going to be moving Ep VII stuff - spoilers & all - into the Movies section so that it's not right out in the open - at least this way folks can roll their own dice by choosing to enter that area before the movie if they wish, knowing full well spoilers may even be in the thread titles.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: JediPatrick on May 09, 2014, 06:01:58 PM
jjreason, thanks for this. I know it's not going to be easy, that's why I decided to post this note.  :)
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: sinkie on May 09, 2014, 07:06:09 PM
I have a better idea! Why don't we all agree to create fake spoilers all the time and ardently claim they are real just so we can avoid knowing which are real and which are not! :) But they have to be good, like nothing like "We find out Han and Leia adopted Wicket" or "Luke went back and found that one armed wampa and gave him a job sweeping the new Jedi temple" or anything like that.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: jjreason on July 23, 2014, 11:33:12 AM
Even in the few weeks since this discussion started, my Facebook has been bombarded with "news". It's going to be impossible to go in without having at least something spoiled.  :mad0218: :sad0064: :shakehead: :(
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: jjreason on August 12, 2015, 04:49:29 PM
I don't really see any spoilers here but figured I'd hide this as best I could in hopes of not getting anyone riled up (link to an article with some new pics below, scroll down):


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http://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/story/star-wars-the-force-awakens-lots-of-new-images/ar-BBlG72V#image=11
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: fishfan on August 12, 2015, 07:16:56 PM
I'm just spending the next 4 months with my eyes closed and my hands over my ears.  That'll work, right?
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: JediPatrick on August 13, 2015, 06:59:27 PM
I'm just spending the next 4 months with my eyes closed and my hands over my ears.  That'll work, right?

I'll try to do the same, trying to avoid spoilers as much as possible. Might be very tough indeed. I think this time around, mass media will jump in the SW fever and we'll end up getting spoilers from everywhere, even on regular news media. Contrary to what happened during the prequels, it'll become a nice trend to like SW and show your love of SW. Here in Quebec, we already sense that the same journalists and media speakers who bashed the SW franchise 10 years ago and now fully into it and even show themselves wearing SW apparel and discuss their fandom openly on radio shows. Damn those stupid opportunists journalist whores. And I'm not talking about lady journalists now. It simply disgusts me. I hate fakers...
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: Keldryn on August 21, 2015, 05:50:28 PM
Let's hope that we don't get a soundtrack with titles such as "Qui-Gon's Noble End" and "Funeral for a Jedi" this time around.

This time around has been the same for me as it was for all three prequels.  I intended to only check out a few bits of news here and there, but somehow I ended up knowing everything that was going to happen before the movie even came out.  Unless the spoilers are wrong this time...
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: jjreason on December 11, 2015, 05:53:47 PM
I'm terrified of that Rey thread about the new figure - so tempted to click it but I haven't yet.....  :(

Also the stupid Toronto Sun head a big header today about knowing how the movie starts.... all I can say is GO DARK, PEOPLE. SPOILERS ARE EVERYWHERE.  :rollfloorlaffsmiley:
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: jjreason on December 16, 2015, 06:25:31 PM
Toronto sun - TFA "An Instant Classic" as well as a link to "Biggest Surprises" in the movie - at least they didn't blurt anything out. A friend told me as of last night Rotten Tomatoes for it was at 100 percent. I'm halfway between sick and giddy with 25hrs until my showtime, and I remain completely spoiler free.  :)`
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: The_Art_of_Sith on December 17, 2015, 01:51:38 AM
I was able to watch this at 11:30am in Hong Kong, my kids definitely enjoyed it. My daughter loves BB8. From some of the spoilers that came out recently, didn't hurt the story at all. There is definitely a wow factor, and looking forward to episode 8.  I won't say anymore, but for us fans, it was a blast to see it.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: klown23 on December 17, 2015, 09:49:25 PM
This movie was so beautiful, had a tear to my eye the last minute... speechless
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: jjreason on December 17, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
Completely blown away myself, I just got home. I can't really begin to break down my thoughts about each of the sequences, but it was absolutely incredible. Thank God the dialogue folks got to work & got rid of that cardboard Lucas horse**** we suffered through in Eps I-III. So emotional.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: brianakarobin on December 17, 2015, 10:38:03 PM
Also enjoyed it. Lots to talk about, but I won't put any spoilers here yet...
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: Thirdfloor on December 17, 2015, 10:46:41 PM
I thought the movie was great!  Can't wait for the next, at least we know it will be a two year wait rather than three with Rouge One to fill in the gap a year from now.  As much as I liked this movie, which was quite a bit, it has re-affirmed for me that the OT will always be special and one-of-a-kind.  Much of that I'm sure is because I was a kid when I first watched them but there is a lot more to it than that too.

I was surprised to find out a week ago that the theater in my small town doesn't pre-sell tickets and wasn't sure what the turn out would be or what my odd's would be for me to get in.  It ended up that the capacity was about 300 and only a little more than half the seats were occupied.  Not sure if it's because the release has been listed as the 17th and the 18th or what?  It was a good crowd though and everyone seemed to really enjoy the movie.

Hope that most of you were able to look past the few flaws and enjoyed the movie too.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: jjreason on December 17, 2015, 11:15:34 PM
The biggest thing for me was forming a quick affinity for the new characters. Rey & Finn in particular, Poe to a slightly lesser extent & of course Kylo - I'm very interested in seeing what the future holds for them and I was honestly worried I wouldn't care after watching this movie. Thank goodness I was so wrong. They were all amazing.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: Ookk on December 17, 2015, 11:23:58 PM
I definitely enjoyed the movie and will be happy to go see it again. While it certainly is indebted to the original films thematically and plot-wise, it had enough new material and engaging characters to make for a great viewing.  It felt like Star Wars, and there wasn't anything that really stood out to me as a glaring plot hole or unbelievable character relationship.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: Bespin-81 on December 18, 2015, 03:01:20 PM
SPOILERS  SPOILERS  SPOILERS

Some thoughts...

First, a bit of background.  When I first heard about Episode VII, I kind of circled my wagons around the OT.  Before, I basically accepted the prequels as part of the whole saga, but with the announcement that the story was going to keep going and going and going, I was just like, okay, I think I'm out of the larger Star Wars universe.     

I'm old.  (Or at least old enough where the idea of one's mortality starts to set in.)  I need "The End" movies.  Not "To be continued ...  and continued ... and continued" movies.   I've developed an appreciation for stories I know I'll be alive to see the end of.   

So basically, I've settled on the OT as being "my" Star Wars.  And my Star Wars is finished.  And I'm fine with that.   It started with a "Once upon time..." (A long time ago in a galaxy far away) and finished with "And they all lived happily ever after." (The group shot at the end of Jedi.) 

This being said, I still enjoy the Star Wars universe (i.e. Rebels and elements of the prequels), but I did kind of go into Ep7 looking at it as well-made and well-financed official fan fiction.  (Remember for me, they all lived happily ever after.  So Disney can tell me Luke isn't happily training Jedi or enjoying hanging out with Mara Jade or flying around the universe with R2 being cool, but it doesn't really register as being part of my Star Wars.)

So onto some random thoughts.

1. "Luke Skywalker has vanished."  Awesome sauce.   He's vanished.  He's not Sith.  (I stayed away from a lot of rumours, but article headlines suggested Luke may have  gone to the Dark Side.)  Just because I don't (yet) accept Ep7 as part my canon doesn't mean I won't mind seeing lightning shoot out of Luke's fingers.   Luke is kind of my ultimate good guy and I don't want to see him depicted as anything but.

2. Finn.  Liked him.  Picked up a $10 BS Finn from Amazon mainly because of the price.  I figured I'd probably get someone else (i.e. Ren or Phasma) if I decided to have TFA represented in my BS collection.  I'm glad I got Finn.  Don't feel the need for a different character.

3. Phasma.  I wonder how many people said to themselves I paid (enter scalper price here) for  that!?  Did Phasma even shoot her gun?

4. Continuing with Phasma, one nitpick is Phasma lowering the shields.  She knew what could happen if she did that.   Hux mentioned how obedient his troops are.  I would expect a captain should be extra obedient and definitely put the First Order above her own life.

5.  Han and Chewie.  Getting a peek at "smuggler" Han was neat.  Seeing a major hero of the rebellion doing that kind of work was a bit odd though.  I wonder what Wedge is up to?  Selling used speeders maybe?

6.  Liked the Force as a character.  "You need a teacher."  She has a teacher.  Thank you.

7. Chewie kind of felt like Diggle on Flash.  If you know Diggle, on Arrow he's a tough guy.  On Flash (his first appearance anyway ) he was comic relief.

8.  Liked Jakku. 

9.  In some ways I felt this was kind of an ESB-like movie.  The end didn't feel like an end.  Star Wars had the medal ceremony.  E1 had the raising of a Spencer Store static electricity ball.  Distinctive (happy) music for both.  Here, the Res. destroys a base more dangerous than the Death Star yet after showed less enthusiasm than the rebels on Hoth when a transport got away.

10.  Liked Ren's lineage.   Explains costume and powers.

11. BB-8.   Great name.  Great droid.

12. Back to the base.  The Death Star felt more important.  They built it up as a threat.   They gave it "presence".  "That's no moon" and all that.  No one really expressed incredulity at this movie's new weapon.   Kind of seemed to have a ho-hum attitude about it (see point #9 for example.)  It's big.  It gets it power from the sun.  Here's it's weakness.  Let's blow it up.  No one seemed scared of it.  (I know the planet people were scared, but they weren't scared of the Starkiller so much as a big red beam.)  The Death Star may have been smaller and only able to destroy one planet at a time, but at least people were actually scared of it and/or doubted it could be destroyed.

13.  Didn't notice the new music.

14.  Liked Rey.

15. Poe was ... okay.  Don't know if I could take the character in larger doses.

16.  Remember the saying "Don't trust anyone over 30"?  Seems to have been applied to the FO except the supreme leader.

17.  Ren could stop a laser blast.  Why even get into a lightsaber fight?  He could use the Force to toss Finn and Rey and crush their weapon.  Why.  Even.  Fight.   

18. Lots of funny moments, but nothing really immediately struck me as "fun/cool" in terms of sequences.  (i.e. Hoth battle, speeder bike chase, etc.) Though the chase through the destroyer was visually cool, it didn't really feel like wow.  (Maybe because I kind of saw it already in Jedi.) 

19.  So, did the prequels even happen?  The only "reference" I noticed was about clones, but they're referenced  in ANH, too.

20. Didn't like Poe's bloody face.  Don't think I'm a fan of blood in Star Wars.  (I know Ponda Baba's arm and all ...) This movie just seemed to have a lot of it ... for a Star Wars film. 

I'll just stop at 20.

Over all, I liked it and may like it more later. 

Lots of questions left by the movie.  Hopefully the answers are good.

As far as toys, I've got a BS Finn and Scavenger 2-pack, but think I'm probably fine not collecting the toys and focusing on the OT. 

However,  if there's a good sale...


Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: ambasah on December 18, 2015, 04:58:05 PM
saw it today with my wife.

I really enjoyed it but agree nothing will impact me like the OT could (the wonder of youth and all).

The visuals in the beginning were jaw dropping. The destroyed at-at etc.

loved the comedy: That ship is crap!

When Han shouted "Ben!" That gave me chills.

I hated another deathstar type weapon. Give us something new please.

All the new characters were surprisingly...amazing. I cared about what happened to them.

Ren - that actor should have been anakin in the prequels. He did a very good job.

I loved and hated the ending. I wanted more!

Star Wars is back. My kids are too little now, but they will be ready for Ep.8.

ps - not sure about that supreme leader guy...would have liked to know a bit more about him, but I guess that will be revealed in the next movie.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS
Post by: brianakarobin on December 18, 2015, 06:47:06 PM
Spoilers below.....

Lots of good points, and I agree with most of them

I really liked the movie, but do think a few things were too overdone in terms of referencing the OT - Death Star like weapon, destroying said weapon after an X-wing does a trench run, important bad guys being fathers or sons of important good guys, etc.  That being said, I love Kylo Ren's lineage.  I do wish his name had been Anakin or really anything besides Ben (which was Luke's son in the books).  That's just being nitpicky, though.

To be honest, my biggest beef is the fact they even put Luke in it.  Don't get me wrong - I love Luke, and really I would have loved to see way more of him.  However, if the story was going to go the way it did, I think they should have ended right after the destruction of the Starkiller base and the discovery, with R2 and BB8, of Luke's location.  It seemed a fitting end, and made the last 5-10 minutes somewhat anticlimactic.  If they saved that for episode 7, they could have spent a bit more time with a
few things that seemed a bit rushed in this one.

Overall, I am happy with the movie.  I'm focusing on the gripes, but I liked it.  Can't wait to see it again!
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: sinkie on December 19, 2015, 12:01:48 AM
So who was Von Sydow? I saw the name in the credits but did not recognize it. I thought we were told we would. A red herring? Also a couple things didn't stand out to me as if they were missing that were in the trailers: the lightsaber pass off looked like it was from Maz to Leia (or Rey) but not only did this not happen, the background seemed different (a scene that ended up in the "trash" of the editor's computer?). And I didn't see any resistance troopers who were not pilots, probably they were in the background?

Did anybody else in the opening scene with Von Sydow meeting Kylo think oh no! This is Kanen and Ezra!!! I did for a moment then when they didn't reveal names I quickly abandoned it.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: jjreason on December 19, 2015, 12:09:51 AM
I thought Mas did pass the lightsaber to Rey? The part from the trailers I don't remember hearing was the "Who are you?" "No one" conversation.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: sinkie on December 19, 2015, 12:36:04 AM
Nope, Finn took it.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: sinkie on December 19, 2015, 12:37:28 AM
Another "missing" bit we'd heard rumours about: Carrie's daughter playing her in a flashback.

I'm wondering if the home video release isn't going to be LOTR all over again and we'll get the extended edition eventually.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: jjreason on December 19, 2015, 12:52:47 AM
Carrie's daughter was the blonde girl at the data board for the Resistance - she even had the cinnamon buns hairdo! The characters weren't related, but she was there in a couple of shots for sure.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: brianakarobin on December 19, 2015, 06:28:46 AM
Max did try to give it to Rey, but she wouldn't take it. 

The trailers were meant to tease, not reveal.  As such, much of the dialogue was not from the film, but just recorded for the trailers.  Another example was the whole "the force is strong in my family blah blah blah You have that power, too."

I also didn't recognize the characters name that Von Sydow played.  Based on the interaction, I thought he would be someone of importance.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: jjreason on December 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM
Anyone else half covering their face & cringing when Rey & Finn took off in the Falcon & started bouncing it all over the place??? It felt like I was watching my unlicenced teenager take our car out for a spin without permission....

CAREFUL WITH MY FALCON, DAMMIT!!!!!  :mad0137: :rollfloorlaffsmiley: :rollfloorlaffsmiley: :rollfloorlaffsmiley:

Oh, and that "first appearance" might have gotten the biggest cheer from the crowd I was with in the theatre - awesome moment.  :character0005:
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: darthpaul on December 19, 2015, 10:43:13 AM
Anyone else half covering their face & cringing when Rey & Finn took off in the Falcon & started bouncing it all over the place??? It felt like I was watching my unlicenced teenager take our car out for a spin without permission....

CAREFUL WITH MY FALCON, DAMMIT!!!!!  :mad0137: :rollfloorlaffsmiley: :rollfloorlaffsmiley: :rollfloorlaffsmiley:

Oh, and that "first appearance" might have gotten the biggest cheer from the crowd I was with in the theatre - awesome moment.  :character0005:

Yea I did. And I thought it was Rey piloting as it crashed through the snow too when I saw it in the trailers.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: sinkie on December 19, 2015, 11:53:30 AM
Watched a few trailers with my kids this morning (since Daddy is the only one in the family who has seen it so far...) and noticed a few shots not in the film. Probably some were "test shots" or ended up cut out (like Rey jumping on her speeder from the first trailer and zipping into the gate) as well as the lightsaber hand-off. Very obviously Rey in that shot now but definitely did not happen in the film. Plus those shots we saw of unmasked
Kylo with the snow troopers in the snow not seen in the actual film. All pretty normal but was disappointed we did not get more "snow battle"...like the FO snow speeder toy is seen only in the bg in a shot or two.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: napseeker on December 19, 2015, 12:33:03 PM
Did anybody else in the opening scene with Von Sydow meeting Kylo think oh no! This is Kanen and Ezra!!! I did for a moment then when they didn't reveal names I quickly abandoned it.

There'd been a rumor that some connection to REBELS would happen in TFA, so I think some were guessing that Max Von Sydow would be an older Kanan (and oh boy, if he had been, getting beheaded like that would've made watching Rebels kinda depressing...)

The handoff scene in TFA obviously differs from the trailer. Me thinks many things got refilmed or cut for whatever reason.  Oddly enough I was looking forward to seeing Constable Zuvio since he got both a 4" and 6" figure... and yet he was totally dropped from the film!  Hilarious.

I'm kinda shocked so few people are talking about Han's death. I didn't mind him dying, as I personally predicted he'd get killed in eps8, but it was the non-heroic way that he died, doing the old cliche "Let me help you steer away from your evil path... because I love you..." which pretty much always results in the poor person getting killed. 

I mean, it'd be a lousy movie if the villain simply accepts the appeal, renounces his ways and goes off with his family again, so you KNOW Kylo/Ben was going to kill Han.  So when it happens, it's not really a shock.  This moment was one of the key things that left me downtrodden after the film... not unlike Kirk's death in Generations... it felt surprisingly WEAK for one of the most iconic heroes in film history... to get skewered and then have the body fall into the void.  I wanted at least a heroic sacrifice that Ford had hinted at for RotJ e.g. dying to save Leia.

But then not just that, John Williams' music is so amazingly lacklustre (another reason why I walked out feeling like it wasn't really a true SW film, the music has always roused me to feel whatever emotion was needed, and this time the music was barely audible/noticeable for some reason). Han's death should've been the best musical piece in the soundtrack, moving me to man-tears... but instead... nothing.  Han is killed. Modest outrage and generic-feeling musical accompaniment. Onto the next scene.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: Goldenrod on December 19, 2015, 02:13:55 PM
Was Coruscant Destroyed by the Starkiller? None of the people I have talked about that know for sure.

I was happy to see that this movie was build like the other 6 movies:
- After the crawl, a pan down on a ship;
- wipes (not enough tough);
- Always a shot of a First Order Ship or Starkiller base before seeing the bad guys;
- A bad feeling line
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: CloneCommander1138 on December 19, 2015, 08:21:23 PM
Was Coruscant Destroyed by the Starkiller? None of the people I have talked about that know for sure.

 

No it was not Coruscant. Starkiller base destroyed the Hosnian system, the elected republic capital. Apparently the Senate and capital move in the new republic, and so it was in that system at the time.

Additionally I would like to add my review. Very simply, I loved it. It is everything I wanted and more.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: JediPatrick on December 20, 2015, 09:51:49 PM
Was Coruscant Destroyed by the Starkiller? None of the people I have talked about that know for sure.

No it was not Coruscant. Starkiller base destroyed the Hosnian system, the elected republic capital. Apparently the Senate and capital move in the new republic, and so it was in that system at the time.

Really? Where did you see this? I mean, did they told that in the movie or is that part of some novels or other materials released for the movie? I honestly didn't see this planet being Coruscant at first, but my brother with whom I saw that movie twice was really under the impression that Coruscant was just blown away. That since it was a scene that followed General Hux Allocation of war to his "Nazi" First Order troops where he said the First Order would destroy the Republic and the Senate, that they just blew up Coruscant.

Anyway, really not sure. For if it was Coruscant, I would have liked to see the same scenery as what we saw in AOTC and ROTS, with the huge lighted up City Planet instead these being blown away at a distance...

Additionally I would like to add my review. Very simply, I loved it. It is everything I wanted and more.

Glad you liked it as well! It's everything I hoped for, same thing here! My only concern was that we didn't saw Kylo Ren light up his lightsaber like we saw in the first trailer. LOL Minor thing, right? It tells how much I was thrilled by this movie! :D
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: JediPatrick on December 20, 2015, 09:55:38 PM
Okay, just read this on Wookieepedia:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_Prime

Maybe it would have been a good thing to have this explained somehow in the movie...  ???
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: Darth McAdam on December 20, 2015, 10:22:21 PM
I think it may have been mentioned in Aftermath. I also thought it was Coruscant to begin with, but then read a few things on Twitter as well as being told by a friend that it was Hosnian Prime. My feeling is that since casual fans wouldn't be all that familiar with Coruscant, it wouldn't be necessary to clarify which planet it was, and simply the presence of the Republic motif (if I recall correctly) on the various senators' clothing, would indicate that it was the seat of the Republic.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: jjreason on December 20, 2015, 10:49:57 PM
Yeah, to me it was pretty easy to understand they had destroyed the seat of government - I don't recall having much time to worry about which planets they had destroyed exactly.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: KaleDayspring on December 21, 2015, 12:52:02 AM
Since I loved the movie, it was hard for me to go to a Christmas party last night and listen to all the nit-picking. Here are some of the highlights and my thoughts from the conversation:

1. Mary Sue. If you don't know what that means, it's the idea that a female character is absolutely perfect. I heard this and saw it on Twitter. Rey is not perfect. She's idealistic, she refused to accept her fate. She gave into anger. Yes she is a great character, but she has some flaws. Too many people were - Oh she's too perfect. Fixes the Falcon, pilots, shoot perfect, doesn't have training in the force and can defeat a sith. But what if she is the balance. We see how when she gives into the force, she is quite powerful. This leads to...

2. How does Rey beat Kylo? Um, he's shot, he's bleeding. He is not in balance with the Force. The light pulls to him, the opposite of his grandfather where the dark pulled at him. I like the idea that giving ones self to the Force gives you strength.

3. How come the bottom of the Falcon wasn't all destroyed with all the banging it took. Ummm deflector shields.

4. Phasma was lame. Actually yes she was. Too much hype, not much else. Saw two 6 inchers on the shelf today. Guessing people are returning them.

5. Han's death was lame. OK, I can't disagree more. Kylo asked his dad for help and Han agree. So Kylo kills him. Ultimate betrayal. Patricide. I think those two would great help for Kylo to finally put out the light.

6. BB8 is lame. Actually BB8 is what Jar Jar SHOULD have been. He was funny, moved the movie along, had his cute moments and those moments of action. That's BB8, not Jar Jar. Had they played Jar Jar like that, maybe he would not be the most... Oh who am I kidding, he sucked. Jar Jar, not BB8

7. Who was Max Von Sydow - Lor San Tekka. His name showed up for me the first time in the Jakku Spy part of the Star Wars App. They refer to him as an old smuggler or something (App keeps crashing). Thought it was a nice way to start the movie, lots of questions from his and Ren's dialogue.

Things I loved:

1. The characters. All of them. They were fresh and the old characters even had some new aspects to them.
2. The dialogue. I didn't find a moment where I felt like yelling- STFU like I did in Ep. 3 Anakin - His fate will be the same as our. No inflection, no tone. Dead.
3. The homages. Yes I know there are lots of homages in the movie. The Death Star, the trench, the shooting. But you know what, I loved them. They made me feel a connection was there, like looking at a photograph of your kids and seeing yourself in one when you were their age.
4. Maz. Who didn't want to hug her. She had a total gramma vibe that you just liked.

And last, quick questions:
1. Did Rey cut off Kylo's hand?
2. Will we find out that Snoke is smaller that Yoda?
3. 3P0's arm - there was supposed to be a comic released before the movie to explain this, but I haven't seen it.
4. We see Leia feel Han's death in the movie. Will we see her wielding a saber in 8 or 9?
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Post by: Canadian Jedi on December 21, 2015, 08:04:32 AM
I'm kinda shocked so few people are talking about Han's death. I didn't mind him dying, as I personally predicted he'd get killed in eps8, but it was the non-heroic way that he died, doing the old cliche "Let me help you steer away from your evil path... because I love you..." which pretty much always results in the poor person getting killed. 

I mean, it'd be a lousy movie if the villain simply accepts the appeal, renounces his ways and goes off with his family again, so you KNOW Kylo/Ben was going to kill Han.  So when it happens, it's not really a shock.  This moment was one of the key things that left me downtrodden after the film... not unlike Kirk's death in Generations... it felt surprisingly WEAK for one of the most iconic heroes in film history... to get skewered and then have the body fall into the void.  I wanted at least a heroic sacrifice that Ford had hinted at for RotJ e.g. dying to save Leia.

But then not just that, John Williams' music is so amazingly lacklustre (another reason why I walked out feeling like it wasn't really a true SW film, the music has always roused me to feel whatever emotion was needed, and this time the music was barely audible/noticeable for some reason). Han's death should've been the best musical piece in the soundtrack, moving me to man-tears... but instead... nothing.  Han is killed. Modest outrage and generic-feeling musical accompaniment. Onto the next scene.

It really is amazing how it seems the majority of people seem to like the death scene.   I and napseeker seem to be the only people who came out of the movie feeling the same way.    This is my March 2015 quote from another thread:

"My New Hope wishes for the next star wars films is that Han Solo dies.   Harrison and Carrie take the MF save the Rebel Forces from being totally eliminated by the Empire in some kind of self sacrifice heroic move - no happy ending for them.   

Luke becomes the new Old man Ben and is in the next 3 movies and then he becomes a Jedi Ghost.   

Hasbro makes some amazing new toys."
 

Now that I reread my wishes for the force awakens my reaction makes sense.  I am happy about seeing Luke at the end looking like Old Man Ben.   At this point the only thing that would make me like the next 3 movies as a whole is if Han did not really die
and is saved by Lando.  And then Han Solo gets the death scene that he deserves.
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Post by: sinkie on December 21, 2015, 08:07:07 AM
I think Rey knowing how to pilot and wield a lightsaber might have to do with a yet to be revealed detail that perhaps Luke gave her knowledge directly using the Force to both pass on his own knowledge but also to help keep her safe. There was an awful lot of using the Force on minds in this film and that might have been intentional to set this up. If I am right, it probably has its limitations and she only knows so much.
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Post by: ambasah on December 21, 2015, 09:11:54 AM
I am shocked anyone thought bb8 was less than fantastic. He was perfect in my opinion.

I also get why some did not like the "meaninglessness" of han's death but I actually think it made it even more tragic than a "saving someone else" end. What was missing was a proper recognition of his loss from chewie and leia. A real shame and probably my biggest gripe about the movie.
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Post by: sinkie on December 21, 2015, 09:48:37 AM
Yeah not sure if it was here or elsewhere but I can't help feel they toned down Leia's (and everyone's) reaction to Han's death to keep it "low intensity" enough to not freak out the parents of 5 and unders who were part of the target audience! JJ would have milked that to the max if left to his own devices. Obviously, he had his hands tied somewhat.
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Post by: jjreason on December 21, 2015, 10:23:24 AM
Leia's reaction was different than I was expecting too - but I was trying to read into her facial expression as she hugged Rey.... did she know her & was she comforted by her presence? Even more evidence Rey's a Skywalker.

And honestly, I'm lukewarm about Rey being a Skywalker overall. That, to me, seems like the easier path, similar to making Han & Luke brother & sister to mitigate any tension from the love triangle. I'm sure she is, but it would almost be more interesting if she wasn't.
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Post by: Canadian Jedi on December 21, 2015, 04:34:38 PM
Leia's reaction was different than I was expecting too -

Me too - you would think that someone who loved Han, save the Universe with Han, gave birth to one or 2 kids with him and gave him a medal would maybe shed tear.   But I guess you would need a good script , a director that knew something about the characters and any other company than Disney to get that.    Another reason why I am down grading it to a 6 out of 10.  At least  jjreason and I are now seeing eye to eye on what a piece of junk this movie is.

I am going for second viewing tomorrow with my family.   I did not get popcorn the first time I saw it, maybe I need popcorn to enjoy the movie.    Maybe Disney is putting a drug in the popcorn and that is the reason why Napseeker and I are the only ones who are disappointed in the movie . He and I stayed away from the popcorn.  :cool0037:
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Post by: jjreason on December 21, 2015, 05:21:22 PM
If I recall correctly, he was so infuriated by the popcorn at his viewing that he wanted to make someone disappear a la The Sopranos.... you might be on to something....
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Post by: Thirdfloor on December 21, 2015, 06:53:56 PM

Me too - you would think that someone who loved Han, save the Universe with Han, gave birth to one or 2 kids with him and gave him a medal would maybe shed tear.

Maybe it's not all Disney or the director's fault.  Maybe the last tune-up at Dr.'s before filming tightened up the tear ducts too much!   :'(  :shakehead:
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Post by: jjreason on December 21, 2015, 07:46:10 PM
Yeah, pretty noticeable for sure. The corners of no one's mouth should/have looked like that since the history of forever.
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Post by: JediPatrick on December 21, 2015, 10:33:12 PM
Since I loved the movie, it was hard for me to go to a Christmas party last night and listen to all the nit-picking. Here are some of the highlights and my thoughts from the conversation:

1. Mary Sue. If you don't know what that means, it's the idea that a female character is absolutely perfect. I heard this and saw it on Twitter. Rey is not perfect. She's idealistic, she refused to accept her fate. She gave into anger. Yes she is a great character, but she has some flaws. Too many people were - Oh she's too perfect. Fixes the Falcon, pilots, shoot perfect, doesn't have training in the force and can defeat a sith. But what if she is the balance. We see how when she gives into the force, she is quite powerful. This leads to...

2. How does Rey beat Kylo? Um, he's shot, he's bleeding. He is not in balance with the Force. The light pulls to him, the opposite of his grandfather where the dark pulled at him. I like the idea that giving ones self to the Force gives you strength.

3. How come the bottom of the Falcon wasn't all destroyed with all the banging it took. Ummm deflector shields.

4. Phasma was lame. Actually yes she was. Too much hype, not much else. Saw two 6 inchers on the shelf today. Guessing people are returning them.

5. Han's death was lame. OK, I can't disagree more. Kylo asked his dad for help and Han agree. So Kylo kills him. Ultimate betrayal. Patricide. I think those two would great help for Kylo to finally put out the light.

6. BB8 is lame. Actually BB8 is what Jar Jar SHOULD have been. He was funny, moved the movie along, had his cute moments and those moments of action. That's BB8, not Jar Jar. Had they played Jar Jar like that, maybe he would not be the most... Oh who am I kidding, he sucked. Jar Jar, not BB8

7. Who was Max Von Sydow - Lor San Tekka. His name showed up for me the first time in the Jakku Spy part of the Star Wars App. They refer to him as an old smuggler or something (App keeps crashing). Thought it was a nice way to start the movie, lots of questions from his and Ren's dialogue.

Things I loved:

1. The characters. All of them. They were fresh and the old characters even had some new aspects to them.
2. The dialogue. I didn't find a moment where I felt like yelling- STFU like I did in Ep. 3 Anakin - His fate will be the same as our. No inflection, no tone. Dead.
3. The homages. Yes I know there are lots of homages in the movie. The Death Star, the trench, the shooting. But you know what, I loved them. They made me feel a connection was there, like looking at a photograph of your kids and seeing yourself in one when you were their age.
4. Maz. Who didn't want to hug her. She had a total gramma vibe that you just liked.


Excellent analysis!! Exactly how I feel!

More on Han's fate. For me, for numerous reasons explained before, Han HAD to die in this first movie. And his fate is as cruel as it is made in vain. But a parent should be the first one to try to reason his kid. Not the last one, after a Jedi Master (Luke), a Jedi pupil (Rey) and an army (the Resistance) tried to reason with the monstrous killer he became. Having Han trying to get his son back... or kill him... was the least he can do. Else, he would have been called a coward for not being in the first row in the next two movies. Harrison Ford almost stole the show in this first movie: can you imagine what it would have been if he still lived in the next two movies? It would have become Han Solo's Star Wars Trilogy. And that's honestly not what I want.

And last, quick questions:
1. Did Rey cut off Kylo's hand?
2. Will we find out that Snoke is smaller that Yoda?
3. 3P0's arm - there was supposed to be a comic released before the movie to explain this, but I haven't seen it.
4. We see Leia feel Han's death in the movie. Will we see her wielding a saber in 8 or 9?

Answers:
1. No. Rey cut off his lightsaber hilt.

2. Doubt it, Maz Kanata is the "new Yoda" for this trilogy. At least according to my wife and kids. :-)

3. Yes, the comic book is supposed to be released in January I think. But then again, I ask you: why is 3PO right lower leg silver in E4 while all the rest of his body is gold? Oh, ok, we're not allowed to ask questions about those "mysteries" we found in E4-E5-E6, but we can about those in E7? I think people need to get it at this point: 3PO has probably been destroyed and rebuilt 10 times over the course of the last 30 years. The Hell, he lost limbs at least 4 times in the course of the 3 years of the OT!!! The red arm is just a message JJ told us: don't overthink too much about these futile details. These are part of life. LOL :D

4. No. I don't think it will happen. My guess is that Leia is partly responsible for Ben's problems. That and probably the fact that Han Solo tried to prevent his training to become a Jedi. That would explain why Kylo is so resentful to his father. He is flawed and he probably put the blame to his father who didn't want him to study the ways of the Force? Anyway, I doubt Leia is a Jedi. She tells Han that after their separation, she went back to what she did best: politics and leading wars. Not being trained as a Jedi. anyway, she is too old to be trained as a Jedi. I'm sure Yoda would totally disagree.

More questions:

1) Will Luke still see Obi-Wan and Yoda's ghosts? Will he still be able to seek counsel from them, like he used to do in his younger years?
2) More importantly: Will Luke see and have conversations with his father Anakin Skywalker's ghost? If so, what would Anakin say about his grandson doing what he's doing?
3) Is Maz Kanata strong in the Force? Without having to be a Jedi, that is?
4) Why is Kylo Ren (Ben) so pissed of about his father? Why is he never talking about his mother Leia? He's not pissed of at her?
5) Why does Kylo Ren and Snokes want to kill Luke Skywalker? Why this specific individual? What can Luke do against them?
6) What is the link between Lor San Tekka, Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren/Ben Solo?
7) Why do people still want to see Boba Fett in this movie he has no place in? (Reference: http://moviepilot.com/posts/3690499)
8) And what do we have to wait another 1-1/2 year before E8? ;)
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Post by: ambasah on December 22, 2015, 05:27:04 AM
I think it would have been more interesting for Leia to die while Ben was trying to save her...now where did I see something like that before...
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Post by: jjreason on December 22, 2015, 07:27:34 AM
You may see that yet.....
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Post by: CloneCommander1138 on December 22, 2015, 11:34:05 AM
I have to say, this is the best forum to discuss the new movie. No trolls... just fans.

Everywhere else seems to be filled with negativity (and some poor fans defending the movie). I was just looking at the IMDB forums (bad idea btw) and there are so many people claiming to be "fans" just bashing this movie. They seem to reiterate the same garbage arguments.

Seeing that on sites like that and others leaves me thinking...Is it just me? I loved it, just saw it again last night. I loved everything, including the flaws (whats Star Wars without flaws, thats what Retcons are for).

But I come here and I see people with genuine love for Star Wars. It's nice to see a healthy community on the internet still.
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Post by: Darth Chadus on December 22, 2015, 11:45:52 AM
I have to admit I absolutely LOVED the movie.  The main thing for me was that it felt like an OT Star Wars movie.  Sure it can be argued that it is a New Hope 2.0.  But really does it matter?  For me I was thoroughly entertained and riveted to the screen while watching.  I understand where it has its weaknesses but could honestly care less.  For just over 2 hours, I was back experiencing the world that I fell in love with as a child.  No other movie has brought back those emotions to that degree since ROTJ.  I look forward to what the future of Star Wars will bring!!! :) 
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Post by: CloneCommander1138 on December 22, 2015, 11:57:44 AM
I have to admit I absolutely LOVED the movie.  The main thing for me was that it felt like an OT Star Wars movie.  Sure it can be argued that it is a New Hope 2.0.  But really does it matter?  For me I was thoroughly entertained and riveted to the screen while watching.  I understand where it has its weaknesses but could honestly care less.  For just over 2 hours, I was back experiencing the world that I fell in love with as a child.  No other movie has brought back those emotions to that degree since ROTJ.  I look forward to what the future of Star Wars will bring!!! :) 

Fully agree, its a bright future for Star Wars!
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Post by: jjreason on December 22, 2015, 11:58:27 AM
For me I was thoroughly entertained and riveted to the screen while watching.  I understand where it has its weaknesses but could honestly care less. 

100 percent this.

I've been very pleased with the discussion here too - no one is really trying to change anyone's mind - you can defend or attack without fear of it degrading into name calling - except for CJ of course, have to watch your back around that guy.  :mad0177:  :tongue0024:
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Post by: Canadian Jedi on December 22, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
For me I was thoroughly entertained and riveted to the screen while watching.  I understand where it has its weaknesses but could honestly care less. 

100 percent this.

I've been very pleased with the discussion here too - no one is really trying to change anyone's mind - you can defend or attack without fear of it degrading into name calling - except for CJ of course, have to watch your back around that guy.  :mad0177:  :tongue0024:

At 7:15 pm tonight, I will see it again.  I will eat the popcorn and buy what ever LORD DISNEY wants me to at the theatre.   I will set aside my disappointment with the Han scene and judge the movie again.   It is at a 6 out of 10 right now for me.   I found Clone Commander1138 comments about the outside world on the internet interesting because the reason I was writing down all the people who were disappointed in the movie were so they did not feel alone on this site.   It's hard being the only one who did not fall asleep and have the pod take over your body and make you a slave to the DISNEY EMPIRE.   I was really happy when I read white elephants comments because after that I knew nap seeker and I were not the only ones.   I know jjreason knows I am just having fun and respect everyone's opinion even how misguided as they are.   I am hoping to set all problems I have with the movie to the side tonight and just enjoy the playground the we all love and know as Star Wars.   :artoo:
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Post by: Darth Chadus on December 22, 2015, 03:11:39 PM
Are you saying we are slaves to the Disney Empire?
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Post by: CloneCommander1138 on December 22, 2015, 03:58:07 PM
Are you saying we are slaves to the Disney Empire?


Well, there's a lot worse to be slaves under... :P

At 7:15 pm tonight, I will see it again.  I will eat the popcorn and buy what ever LORD DISNEY wants me to at the theatre.   I will set aside my disappointment with the Han scene and judge the movie again.   It is at a 6 out of 10 right now for me.   I found Clone Commander1138 comments about the outside world on the internet interesting because the reason I was writing down all the people who were disappointed in the movie were so they did not feel alone on this site.   It's hard being the only one who did not fall asleep and have the pod take over your body and make you a slave to the DISNEY EMPIRE.   I was really happy when I read white elephants comments because after that I knew nap seeker and I were not the only ones.   I know jjreason knows I am just having fun and respect everyone's opinion even how misguided as they are.   I am hoping to set all problems I have with the movie to the side tonight and just enjoy the playground the we all love and know as Star Wars.   :artoo:

And yeah, I totally understand the points (both good and bad) that have been raised, and like I said, this has been a good place to discuss the movie. There's no reason we can't discuss things, and I hope that no one feels alone here.

Enjoy the movie tonight, I caught a bunch of things I didn't see the first time around.
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Post by: Canadian Jedi on December 22, 2015, 05:28:58 PM
Are you saying we are slaves to the Disney Empire?

Not at all.  I am saying that in this wonderful world of Star Wars there are Stormtroopers and Rebels.  In the real world there are people who like the movie (Stormtroopers) and people who don't (Rebels).  And just like Finn - you have a choice to change sides once you realize how wrong the Disney Empire is.   :u:
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Post by: Darth Cujo on December 22, 2015, 07:05:59 PM
Yet you speak like a Sith! I think you have been corrupted by the dark side!  :star-wars-smiley-026:
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Post by: Wedge1021 on December 22, 2015, 10:32:11 PM
One small thing I did like about the film that I want to highlight - Kylo Ren's lightsaber. Remember everyone poking fun about it when the first teaser trailer was released? People were saying how it would cut off his own hand, etc. and was an impractical and unwieldy design. I always liked it, and thought it worked rather well in the film. The crossguard even came into effect in the short duel with Finn.
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Post by: jjreason on December 22, 2015, 10:55:44 PM
I liked the look of the new lasers & his blade. Both were interesting changes, visually, from what we're used to.
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Post by: Canadian Jedi on December 22, 2015, 11:53:38 PM
So I saw it again.  I ate the popcorn - all of it.  It was very very good popcorn .  By the end of the night - I found myself wishing random people that they would have a "magical day".
I also bought the Star Wars cup with BB8 top.  I would have got the 3D glasses but they had no more Kylo Ren Glasses only Stormtrooper.   

My family loved the film.   I was surprised on second viewing I enjoyed watching the film. 

I think what nap seeker is saying about the non-happy ending for core group hero, Han's Death scene and the fact there is nothing really new in the film visually other than Kylo Ren's Lightsaber for us to see deduct 3 points and I give it a 7 out of 10.   I like all the other Star Wars movies better and I wish we knew what George wanted us to see.  I would love to get his ideas written into a book for us to see his vision.   But in the end I can say I don't hate the movie but it just is not the story that I wanted to see on the screen.
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Post by: jjreason on December 23, 2015, 12:03:06 AM
Totally fair. I will head back tomorrow for my second viewing & dose of Disney brainwashing. If the name of the site somehow is switched to Mousetroopers in around 24hrs you know it's working.
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Post by: ambasah on December 23, 2015, 09:44:45 AM
you guys are hilarious!

I plan to watch it again next week, but may go solo (although my wife enjoyed the movie she thinks it is bizarre to watch it a second time).

I would love to see an extended version of this with the scrapped parts.

It would also be intriguing to see what Lucas would've done, even if it was a graphic novel.
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Post by: darthpaul on December 23, 2015, 09:55:59 AM
Totally fair. I will head back tomorrow for my second viewing & dose of Disney brainwashing. If the name of the site somehow is switched to Mousetroopers in around 24hrs you know it's working.

Where you seeing it?   What time?
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Post by: jjreason on December 23, 2015, 10:26:15 AM
My plan is to take the daughter to the 1230 imax, in Kitchener near Chapters as I need something for the boss errr I mean wife from there.
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Post by: jjreason on December 23, 2015, 10:28:23 AM
They did set an interesting precedent with that "The Star Wars" series from last year. That was Dark Horse however & with Marvel back in control I don't know if they'll do anything  like a "what if" project any time soon. I would love to see what Lucas had planned as well, even just a rough breakdown of his ideas that they didn't use.
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Post by: brianakarobin on December 25, 2015, 08:46:41 PM
I think it may have been mentioned in Aftermath. I also thought it was Coruscant to begin with, but then read a few things on Twitter as well as being told by a friend that it was Hosnian Prime. My feeling is that since casual fans wouldn't be all that familiar with Coruscant, it wouldn't be necessary to clarify which planet it was, and simply the presence of the Republic motif (if I recall correctly) on the various senators' clothing, would indicate that it was the seat of the Republic.
In Aftermath, I think it was Chandrila that was the republic capital.  However, based on the write-up on wookieepedia, which seems to come from the novelization and the visual dictionary, the planetary center of the republic has rotated, based on a vote, since the inception of the New Republic.
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Post by: brianakarobin on December 25, 2015, 08:58:05 PM
I'm hoping to go for round 3 tomorrow. 

For those who have seen it more than once, was there anyone who liked it LESS the second time around?  So far, I have universally seen the opinion that people liked it better the second time, which was certainly the case for me.
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Post by: jjreason on December 25, 2015, 09:29:51 PM
I've been slow going back, but I'm off for #2 tomorrow. I expect I'll like it even more now that the discomfort of not knowing what was going to happen is out of the way - from here on in it's focusing on dialogue & treasure hunting for easter eggs & background characters.

Oh, and regarding Aftermath - apparently the other recognizable X-Wing pilot (huskier dude with the black beard) is named Snap Wexley - maybe that's Temmin or another relative....
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Post by: Canadian Jedi on December 25, 2015, 11:00:43 PM
I'm hoping to go for round 3 tomorrow. 

For those who have seen it more than once, was there anyone who liked it LESS the second time around?  So far, I have universally seen the opinion that people liked it better the second time, which was certainly the case for me.

Well the popcorn has started wearing off and now I think it is a 4 out 10.   :sw2:  :shakehead: :party0053:
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Post by: jjreason on December 25, 2015, 11:39:56 PM
Bah Humbug???
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Post by: fishfan on December 25, 2015, 11:45:13 PM
I finally got to see this movie with my kids tonight and we all loved it.  My one gripe, that's already been mentioned is the lack of grieving time given to Chewbacca.  I think Rey and Leia hugging when they got back was fine, but then Chewie should have come down the ramp and Leia turned and embraced him.  He got about 5 seconds of Wookie crying screen time and it then jumps to R2 waking up from his self induced coma to announce to everyone he did have the rest of the map they needed (which in itself was a bit confusing to me why no one knew where the end of the map led without the beginning of it).

Chewie and Han have been inseperable for at least 30 years and to only give him that was a complete injustice.  I even heard a young girl behind me ask her parents if he was crying and the scene ended before they had a chance to answer.

My second problem, and it's not really a problem, more an editing preference.  The last scene of arriving at the planet Rey has had visions of (Ren says this much when mind probing her, the vast ocean, the island) and walking up the mountain to reveal Luke should have been a post credit scene, and shorter.  Less walking up the hill, less holding the lightsaber out.  Even at 2 mins, that would have been a perfect bonus to those who stayed behind.
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Post by: jjreason on December 25, 2015, 11:51:12 PM
Good call on the post credits - that would have been a great place for a shortened version of the final scene, now that you mention it. I wonder if that was considered at any point. It seemed long to me as well, but I think I was really anticipating finally seeing Luke after 2hrs.
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Post by: fishfan on December 26, 2015, 12:24:29 AM
That's why it would have worked so much better as a post credit.  You know he's been missing, and you know he's in the film but we haven't seen him yet.  Credit roll and theatre gets dark, then boom, the MF comes out of hyperspace and pans across the screen to the reveal the planet.  Zooms across the water heading towards an island, lands.  Camera goes interior cockpit with Rey looking out.  Chewie says something and Rey looks at him and gets up.

Exterior, Rey, Chewie and R2 come down the ramp.  Look around and she says "I have to go alone".  Walking, walking, walking.  comes up behind robed figure.  Figure turns around, close up on Rey, Rey hold out lightsaber, force them music starts as on close up of robed figure as hands come up to pull back hood to reveal Obi-Luke, screen goes black.  insert mic drop now.
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Post by: jjreason on December 26, 2015, 12:39:17 AM
100 percent, would have been perfect. They must have mulled it over & decided to go with the post-ending ending instead - maybe they'll discuss in the commentaries. Hurry up, Bluray version.......
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Post by: Artaban on December 26, 2015, 08:30:02 AM
My second problem, and it's not really a problem, more an editing preference.  The last scene of arriving at the planet Rey has had visions of (Ren says this much when mind probing her, the vast ocean, the island) and walking up the mountain to reveal Luke should have been a post credit scene, and shorter.  Less walking up the hill, less holding the lightsaber out.  Even at 2 mins, that would have been a perfect bonus to those who stayed behind.

Agree, I would have loved to see that part after credits, but maybe they didn't want to take the risk considering that most people leave when the credits start rolling.

I saw it on December 17 and the room was full, but honestly, when the credits rolled most people left the theater.

That would have created a lot of comments like  "Why putting the coolest scene after the credits,man? It's not a Marvel movie!!!". I think most viewers would have miss that part, potentially giving more material to people bitching about the movie and motivating them to destroy everything in "Angry Kylo Ren" mode :rollfloorlaffsmiley: .

By the way, this guy is funny https://twitter.com/KyloR3n?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw (https://twitter.com/KyloR3n?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



 
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: brianakarobin on December 26, 2015, 08:32:50 AM
I finally got to see this movie with my kids tonight and we all loved it.  My one gripe, that's already been mentioned is the lack of grieving time given to Chewbacca.  I think Rey and Leia hugging when they got back was fine, but then Chewie should have come down the ramp and Leia turned and embraced him.  He got about 5 seconds of Wookie crying screen time and it then jumps to R2 waking up from his self induced coma to announce to everyone he did have the rest of the map they needed (which in itself was a bit confusing to me why no one knew where the end of the map led without the beginning of it).
I am assuming this is a previously uncharted or poorly charted section of the galaxy.  Maybe stars are dense, difficult to find a hyperspace route, etc.  In the EU (which if course, is largely wiped out, but just to give some precedent) the deep core is difficult to navigate, and so much of it is unknown.  Without the small map from BB-8, they don't know the planet they are heading for, and without the larger map, they can't see the hyperspace approach routes to get to it. Otherwise, I agree - I can't see why they need the larger map.

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My second problem, and it's not really a problem, more an editing preference.  The last scene of arriving at the planet Rey has had visions of (Ren says this much when mind probing her, the vast ocean, the island) and walking up the mountain to reveal Luke should have been a post credit scene, and shorter.  Less walking up the hill, less holding the lightsaber out.  Even at 2 mins, that would have been a perfect bonus to those who stayed behind.
I totally agree.  I have mentioned in another thread and to others that I felt the movie should have ended after the resistance reunites following the destruction of Starkiller Base, including giving Chewie (and Leia) some time for grief.  Having the Luke scene a s a post-credits scene seems like a nice compromise to me.  I would have preferred it that way.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: jjreason on December 26, 2015, 08:44:41 AM
Honestly, the "celebration" after destroying SKB was about the most hollow scene for me in the whole thing, the one that I thought should have looked the most different. The big pan out made me think there weren't anywhere enough Resistance personnel there to have pulled off the mission they just did & everyone seemed to be more gathering than celebrating. I get that there were serious losses to contend with & maybe that the idea - subdued relief for now, knowing there is still work to do - but it still seemed flat, and Leia's reaction most of all. I'll see it again in a couple of hours here & really watch that part over to see if it makes more sense.

All that to say, maybe they looked at it once the movie was wrapped & decided they didn't want to go out to the credits on that scene & put the Luke one in for a better ending (even though it's a very ESB ending - uncomfortable with so much up in the air).
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: Wedge1021 on December 30, 2015, 09:57:50 PM
I found this pretty funny:
https://jedijones77.wordpress.com/2015/12/30/if-luke-was-rey-a-k-a-the-star-wars-a-new-hope-mary-sue-rewrite/

Basically, a re-imagining of A New Hope if written in the Disney style of TFA.
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: Wedge1021 on December 31, 2015, 01:12:42 PM
Here's a summary of the deleted / originally scripted scenes from the movie:
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awkens-deleted-scenes/

Some of them I think probably worked out better by being cut - the Zuvio scene in particular, it sounds like it sped up the film a bit in that spot.

But other scenes I think could have really clarified a lot of the questions, like the early scene about the Senate with Leia & Korr Sella; Snoke dismissing Vader's redemption sheds more light on his background and ideology; and Ren aboard the Falcon would have been a good scene to flesh him out just a little more.

Just don't expect an "extended edition" a la the LOTR/Hobbit films -
JJ Abrams: "Iím not a huge fan of directorsí cuts and modifications to a movie. I feel the movie that comes out is the movie that should be the intended final product."
He might just be saying that to appease all the haters of Lucas' constant tinkering, though. But if Disney decides there's another boatload of money to be made by doing an extended cut, then obviously they don't give a fig what Abrams thinks on that subject.
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Post by: SciFiEric on December 31, 2015, 10:15:09 PM
He cuts out 20 minutes of film but does not believe in sharing with fans! What a womp rat!  :mad0137:
Title: Re: And the topic of the day is: Episode VII SPOILERS **NOW WITH EXTRA SPOILERS**
Post by: Wedge1021 on January 01, 2016, 02:16:41 AM
He cuts out 20 minutes of film but does not believe in sharing with fans! What a womp rat!  :mad0137:

I think what he meant was he is not a fan of extended / director's cuts, as in a different version of the film. That does not mean he wouldn't include the deleted scenes on the home release. They just wouldn't be re-edited back into the film.
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Post by: jjreason on January 01, 2016, 06:51:10 AM
That's fine with me. It will be very interesting - if they are included - to see how many toys wound up being created from footage that was left out! The Snowspeeder & Zuvio for sure - maybe others as well....
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Post by: brianakarobin on January 01, 2016, 08:41:17 PM
Some of them I think probably worked out better by being cut - the Zuvio scene in particular, it sounds like it sped up the film a bit in that spot.

But other scenes I think could have really clarified a lot of the questions, like the early scene about the Senate with Leia & Korr Sella; Snoke dismissing Vader's redemption sheds more light on his background and ideology; and Ren aboard the Falcon would have been a good scene to flesh him out just a little more.
I think the Snoke/Kylo scene would have been good.  It really helps us see what Kylo Ren thinks of Vader and why he is trying to finish what he started.
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Post by: sinkie on January 02, 2016, 05:29:13 PM
 I'm really wondering though if the relationship might not be something odder now that we have found out the name of the planet Luke is on translates to "brother"...which might be nothing, might be a red herring, might be something less direct. However, I'm wondering how they could work in that she's his sister made in a test tube post-Vader's death! Maybe the cloned-from-Luke's-hand has more weight than I gave it originally?
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Post by: Eradicator on January 04, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
I finally saw the move on the 1st. I liked it. I seem to be with the majority regarding my feelings and thoughts. Han's death really seems to have been necessary with the story they set up. I like the new characters and I thought the acting was good. The humour was great and a nice fit. It was a bit of a rehash but it was expected and I think it gave me some of that nostalgic feeling. It seems to me that there is a strong possibility Rey is Luke's daughter. However, I think it is possible she is either Leia/Han's daughter or Obi Wan's grand daughter. Perhaps Disney will throw us a twist and go with the Obi Wan relation. Luke's daughter does seem a bit obvious. Maybe she is just some random new powerful force user, but I like to think there will be some connection to the Skywalker family as it will mean more when she duels with Ben Solo again.

I am thinking there may be a connection or something more to this Snoke character. Cloned Palpatine? We only ever saw a hologram, maybe the real person looks totally different. So many possibility and in the end we won't know the whole story until EP9 comes out.

I watched the move twice and on the first viewing I thought I heard Obi Wan's voice at one of the forest scenes? I missed it on the second viewing (blaming it on my kids) or perhaps it just wasn't there and I am just crazy. Did anyone else pick up on this?
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Post by: ambasah on January 04, 2016, 12:47:52 PM
I read somewhere that Ewan came to add his voice to that scene.
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Post by: jjreason on January 04, 2016, 05:42:27 PM
It's there. In the flashback, the word "Rey" was excised from one of Alec Guiness' lines & the following "these are your fist steps...." was McGregor. Kinda awesome.
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Post by: Eradicator on January 04, 2016, 11:40:09 PM
Good to know I am not crazy! At least not yet.
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Post by: Sam on January 05, 2016, 05:10:35 PM
Interesting.

http://www.slashfilm.com/even-more-force-awakens-theories/
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Post by: Eradicator on January 06, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
Interesting.

http://www.slashfilm.com/even-more-force-awakens-theories/

Some food for thought for sure.
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Post by: Wedge1021 on January 09, 2016, 06:07:46 PM
Well I took the family to see the movie today. We went to an older theatre, smaller screen and no incline seating. Watched it in regular (non-3D). I didn't dislike it as much as the first time - was able to enjoy it a little more as I wasn't as worried about paying attention and missing anything. There's still some things about it that bother me, and I still wish they could have worked a little more explanation in along the way. I might have possibly worked it's way up to 4th place in my list along with ROTS.

A couple observations as far as my daughters are concerned:
- they thought it was a little long. But they are 3 and 6 yrs old
- their favourite character going in was BB-8 and that didn't change
- I don't think they were able to follow much of Kylo Ren's story; it didn't help they had a hard time understanding his helmeted voice.
- Best moment was about 1/2 hour in, right after the TIE Fighter crash: my 3-yr-old says "Where's Luke?" These kids are OT purists already, I think I have successfully kept them from being turned to the Disney dark side so far.
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Post by: Eradicator on January 13, 2016, 12:50:43 PM
So, is Disney going to kill off Luke? Where does the story go with him? Perhaps Rey takes down Ben and Luke takes down Snoke. Something kind of like Obi-Wan/Anakin and Yoda/Palpatine?

Luke can't be the main hero forever and Rey does need to take the spotlight for future movies. Any thoughts?
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Post by: jjreason on January 13, 2016, 05:00:22 PM
I'm pretty sure it's going to happen - Rey need's a force-ghost. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had died in the opening of EpVII much like Dooku did in ROTS - that would have freed him up to re-appear late in the final act to help. Since that's out the window, I would expect he'll fall to Kylo in the next movie.
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Post by: Eradicator on January 28, 2016, 04:06:37 PM
Soooo, I am not sure if anyone has ever mentioned this but is it possible that Rey is related to Palpatine? Perhaps she turns to the dark side and Kylo goes to the light to redeem himself. Kind of an opposite situation from the original trilogy and something the new movie seemed to be leaning towards. Just a thought.

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Post by: jjreason on January 28, 2016, 04:21:33 PM
I haven't seen that anywhere else. Very interesting.
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Post by: dudeman on January 28, 2016, 06:27:36 PM
Well if you think about it Rey discovered the force through fear. Me and a bunch of my friends were talking about this for a while. We think Kylo is actucally working toward killing Snoke but needed to gain his trust first by killing his father. WHich is why he was crying when he asked Han to help him do what he couldnt...ie kill his father. Meanwhile Rey seems like a person of interest to Snoke and like I said discovered her force powers through fear/darkside which would explain how she learned so much so fast.
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Post by: sinkie on January 28, 2016, 09:26:08 PM
On my 4th viewing I had the thought that Kylo wasn't asking Vader's "spirit" for help to be dark but for help to access the dark side in order to mask the light in him...to try to gain power and influence and be able to end Snoke too. I think it could be a very interesting twist and turn the entire "the TFA is too much like the OT" on its head since Vader was NOT aiming for this but made the decision in the spur of the moment...or at least not by design, not having any doubts really until he found out Luke was his son. At this point I could only really see Rey discovering this in the 3rd film or something but for her to go dark would be hard for me to imagine at this point but I'm open to the idea for sure!
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Post by: Canadian Jedi on January 28, 2016, 11:16:12 PM
Another great story line by Disney.  Hey Dad I have to kill you in order for me to be good.
Oh and Dad if that does not make sense.  I have to kill you in the most lame way in order for it to be a good kill.   

By the way I think your idea of the twist is great.   I would love to see Rey kill off all the rebels and jedi, kylo etc. and become Queen of the Universe .    Sorry I mean Princess of the Universe - we are of course talking about a Disney movie.
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Post by: sinkie on January 29, 2016, 08:44:23 AM
Well, to be fair, this twist would be pretty dark, Kylo taking on the burden of basically ending the darkness by sacrificing both his own chance at happiness and that of his immediate family. I'm not saying I believe Disney is going this route at all, I'm just thinking that at this point it is possible, there is not much we've seen that would negate the possibility.

So I would see Kylo as believing he is doing the right thing but with methods that are highly questionable, pretty intense, desperate to the point of seeming insane but maybe he knows something no one else does. Maybe Snoke and perhaps some sort of "complete access to the dark side" might be in play here, something Kylo sees as the end to all chance of the light winning out for all time, and he comes up with a complex plan that involves throwing himself, Rey, his parents, Luke on the sacrificial pyre in order to save the bulk of lives in the galaxy. Of course, if and when Luke and Rey find out they will probably be horrified and conflicted: good intentions/insane methods...there had to be another way. To me this makes it very different from the more simplistic moral tale of the OT.

Do I want to see this? I don't know, maybe. If handled correctly it could be pretty interesting. Then again, I'm also fine with a more simple story where we find out it was Kylo who rescued Rey because at that point in his villain-arc he didn't have it in him to kill his own cousin and figured he could put her out of the way forever and achieve the same goal of having her unable to interfere with his more straightforward "rule-the-galaxy" plans. It could be as simple as Kylo wanting to be the better, perfect right hand man to Snoke in a way Vader failed at.
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Post by: Eradicator on January 29, 2016, 10:34:49 AM
I would like to see the dark story as well. However, like you, I am ok if turns out to be a simpler story.
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Post by: sinkie on January 29, 2016, 10:47:08 AM
What if this trilogy ends up being the end of the problem of the Skywalkers? So maybe Rey is not a Skywalker and the overall plot is that the Skywalkers sacrifice their "line" in order to eliminate both the light and dark force users in this galaxy leaving Rey (who may be some sort of "incorruptible Force user" to carry on a less-intense tradition? Or she is a Skywalker, she too will be sacrificed in some way and from here on Disney can do other things in that universe with the Force either playing a lesser role or none at all.

I doubt this will happen because unless they are seeing something I'm not I'm pretty sure they need both the Force and "conflict" to keep it interesting going forward. But still, maybe the Skywalker line ends, becomes myth or something, other Force users arise who aren't as strong but still cause trouble.

After Ep 9 what will be the plot going forward I wonder, I mean the main continuation films (not necessarily spin-off films). How is the dark side going to keep coming up without it become completely cliche I wonder?
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Post by: ambasah on January 29, 2016, 11:41:49 AM
What if this trilogy ends up being the end of the problem of the Skywalkers? So maybe Rey is not a Skywalker and the overall plot is that the Skywalkers sacrifice their "line" in order to eliminate both the light and dark force users in this galaxy leaving Rey (who may be some sort of "incorruptible Force user" to carry on a less-intense tradition? Or she is a Skywalker, she too will be sacrificed in some way and from here on Disney can do other things in that universe with the Force either playing a lesser role or none at all.

I doubt this will happen because unless they are seeing something I'm not I'm pretty sure they need both the Force and "conflict" to keep it interesting going forward. But still, maybe the Skywalker line ends, becomes myth or something, other Force users arise who aren't as strong but still cause trouble.

After Ep 9 what will be the plot going forward I wonder, I mean the main continuation films (not necessarily spin-off films). How is the dark side going to keep coming up without it become completely cliche I wonder?

excellent point here. I will also let out a huge groan in the theatre if the next "super weapon" is a "deathstar".

I hope the story takes a much more personal level in the next film. I need character development rather than more planets being at risk of destruction.

It would also be cool to see Rey be a Solo rather than Skywalker.
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Post by: Darth Chadus on January 29, 2016, 01:35:51 PM
I would be quite happy if the Saga movies end at ep IX.  As mentioned it will be tiresome if they keep rehashing the same themes.  There is so much to explore with spinoff movies, that with these alone you could make movies virtually for ever.   Old republic trilogy,  different time periods,  life on various planets, etc etc.. The list is never ending.    I think ending the Skywalker saga after Ep IX make sense and will help keep things fresh moving forward.   

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Post by: Eradicator on January 29, 2016, 04:40:33 PM
I am hoping that using the familiar plot line and links in EPVII we can consider it the tie in movie to the original trilogy. Disney should now be able to move forward in some different directions to freshen things up. I am sure there will always be fans/critics that will hate and have negative comments if a new direction is a taken but I like to think they will be in the small minority. Unfortunately, as with most things in life, the media will pick up on the negativity and try to exploit it for their own ratings.
Time will tell.
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Post by: brianakarobin on January 30, 2016, 10:31:11 AM
Interesting thoughts about Kylo Ren's motivations.  I wouldn't mind seeing that come true.  It actually plays out similar to the way Jacen Solo did in the books (who was also Han Solo's son) - he tried to learn about the Dark Side and become a Sith essentially to end the old way of the Sith, although in the process he lost himself.

I don't think I like Rey going to the Dark Side, but I'm open to whatever they throw at us, as long as it's good :)