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« on: January 17, 2013, 02:36:40 AM »

To a certain extent, it doesn't come as much of a surprise to read the negative comments and bad feelings that some/many of you have towards Rebelscum and while I don't have a problem with it or you (and certainly have no intention of starting a slanging match), I am curious to know why there seems to be so much animosity.

Obviously, Thirdfloor commented on the forum's TOS and while it might seem unreasonable to claim ownership of content posted on the forums, I'm pretty sure the same is true for Facebook.

One thing I will say is that everyone on the team at RS is a collector like all of you, and we're committed to doing the best job we can in delivering the latest and greatest Star Wars collecting news, but also like all of you, we're only human and we don't always get things right.

At the end of the day, there's no getting away from the fact that Rebelscum and Snowtroopers are competing sites, and while I may be contributor for one, I am still keen to be a part of the collecting community in Canada, and always interested to know what's going on here, as opposed to the States.

Feel free to tell me where to go...
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2013, 12:29:32 PM »

I was a little surprised by the "official response" in the EFX thread.

I know many collectors were very frustrated with EFX and their venting was at times inappropriate, but it did leave me a bit "cold" and as a result I don't post much on RS anymore.
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Re: Rebelscum
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 03:42:33 PM »

I have no clue what you two are talking about.
Can someone post some links, or something to fill the rest of us in.
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Re: Rebelscum
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2013, 03:53:10 PM »

I was a long time member at SirStevesGuide forums (still am in fact, but not an active reader or poster). The general attitude over there was also quite negative towards RS. I'm not sure if has to do with the tone of replies to posts made by new users or not, but I remember RS was distinctly NOT welcoming back when I started using collectors sites (many MANY moons ago now).
« Last Edit: January 17, 2013, 10:04:59 PM by jjreason »
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Re: Rebelscum
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2013, 04:48:36 PM »

simple...huge flippin EGO'S...some being right here from EDMONTON...
PLUS there ever USA push of things realllly annoy's moi !!!

kinda like the STAR WARS ACTION NEWS team that seems to hate everything outside the US boRder's!!!!

yeah REBELSlum is good for reference but that's all...rarely ever go there anymore!

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Re: Rebelscum
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2013, 04:57:59 PM »

I think Rebelscum have improved greatly on their Canadian content.  Dave (one of the main contributors) and Darth McAdam are both from here in Vancouver.  I have come to know Adam, and Dave to a lesser extent.  They are both standup guys whose main focus is to keep collectors upto date.  I notice posts on a daily basis that refer to Canadian finds or sales.  I use Rebelscum for the majority of my reference material, and find their photoarchive is second to none.  In fact I would say other than Snowtroopers they have far more Canadian stories than any of the other sites. 

I dont get involved in the forums so much over there or anyother site for that matter(other than this one).  As I get tired of the infighting and egos, that are present on all the sites. (present company excluded of course) :winking0071:
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Re: Rebelscum
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2013, 07:27:29 PM »

Feel free to tell me where to go...

Your closing comment of being 'told where to go' is indicative of one of the issues that I have with RS.  Many of the sites threads are littered with negativity and combativeness.  The site comes across as an 'old-boys-club' where the 'sense of community' is reserved for long-term members.  Newbie's are either treated hostile for asking questions that long term members consider 'common-knowledge' and are told to use the site's search function or they are accused of being a spammer, a troll or the re-incarnation of some previously banned member.  The attitude of the webmaster is also a deterent.  Here is a direct quote from the TOS regarding content,

"If you want to only take, and not give, that's your choice, and at least for the moment, we allow non-member to read the forum. Something that may change in the future.

To be completely frank, if you want to just take and not give, you are not particularly welcome and you should leave." - Philip Wise

How welcoming and inviting is that attitude?  There is a finite amount of information regarding vintage star wars collectables and not everyone who visits a forum is going to have something that they can 'give' to rebelscum, or any other forum.  In my opinion the 'taking' aspect of a forum is what a forum should be about.  I visit forums way more to learn than I do to inform others and I don't feel guilty in any way for doing so.

As for the claim of ownership of photos, I think that only hinders their site as opposed to helping it.  I believe less people will be inclined to add photos of thier items or collections if they are made aware that by doing so they are relinquishing ownership to the site.  RS tries to imply that they are implimenting these terms to protect the integrity of the site for the benefit of collectors but the bottom line is that they are trying to protect the integrity of the site for the benefit of themselves by way of money earned through ad revenues and sponsers of the site that only pay because of the traffic that the site recieves.  The way they recieve that traffic in part is from those photos.

Not all RS members are bad people and there is alot of information available there, but it is not the only forum out there and the negative experiances that I've had there have made me frequent other sites more often.  Snowtroopers has been my go-to site for years, there is a great atmosphere and lots of helpful members.

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Re: Rebelscum
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2013, 07:50:03 PM »

Hi Everyone.  Everyday I enjoy reading the threads on Snowtroopers.ca, but I got to tell you I'm kind of disappointed with this topic.  I think everyone should just let it 'go', and not badmouth or gossip badly about other sites. If you have a problem with another site, just don't visit it....and let's all get back to what we love talking about....Star Wars and collecting.  We all know that snowtroopers.ca is the best...so let's try to keep it that way....and remember "Don't give in to hate."
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Re: Rebelscum
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2013, 08:22:25 PM »

I'm going to agree with IanToronto on this one.  What's the point of this thread exactly?  Are we not grown ups and have better things to do than bash other websites and their forums.  This is the first thread I've read on Snowtroopers that is turn off to coming here.  If having a bad experience at a website is the worst part of your day, you're not really having that bad of day.....

This will be my only post on this thread.
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Re: Rebelscum
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2013, 09:01:42 PM »

What's the point of this thread exactly?  Are we not grown ups and have better things to do than bash other websites and their forums.


This thread was started by a Rebelscum member and he was solisiting opinions on the site.

 
This is the first thread I've read on Snowtroopers that is turn off to coming here.  If having a bad experience at a website is the worst part of your day, you're not really having that bad of day.....

This will be my only post on this thread.

Not quite sure how a civil discussion of facts and opinions can have you contemplating leaving a site that you are a moderator of but hopefully the fact that you say it's the very first time you've been upset by this site you'll reconsider.

I'm kind of disappointed with this topic.

Again, it was started by a Rebelscum member.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2013, 10:04:09 PM »

Their photo archive is the best. I've had it bookmarked for I don't know how long and have referred to it countless times.  :D

I'm almost inclined to move this to Off Topic so it's away from the main reading area. There is no intent here I don't think to have a mass bashing of RS. The OP did ask whey the negative feelings and a few have chimed in. In reading it I don't think any member of their site would be offended - the same complaints are voiced over there (ad nauseum, if I'm not mistaken) and they will have heard/read it all before.

That being said, these are opinions - let's keep it at least this civil please. Great job so far - there have been nearly as many positive comments as there have been negative by my limited math.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2013, 02:12:10 AM »

Only positive feedback and honest opinion here: I've mentioned a bunch of these things several months ago to Darth McAdam already, but I'll chime in again. This is not so much a critique of Rebelscum as it is a breakdown of the different reasons that I use various collector-related sites. I've broken it into 4 major categories:

Information Resource:
I have no negative opinions on Rebelscum itself. It was the first ever excellent source of information that I came across when I started into collecting, and so I have a permanent link in my bookmarks toolbar to the RS photo archive. I use it daily, multiple times, as it is second-to-none, although Jedi Temple Archives is slowly starting to catch up and is becoming a helpful secondary source if I just can't seem to find what I want at RS. Excellent job, keep it up!

News Postings:
I used to use RS as my daily news source as well, however about a year ago I switched to JTA for this, which is primarily what I use that site for now. It's just a personal preference thing. I find I like the opinion pieces and collecting news the best, and enjoy reading through the comments to each article when I get the time (something that RS news posts do not have - and possibly for good reason). These comments are usually full of light-hearted banter and almost never negative. The parts I dislike are the news postings that are just product or sponsor announcements, on both JTA and RS, but I understand why those are there and appreciate them for what they are, I just rarely read them.

Forum Participation:
Snowtroopers is the only forum that I consistently post at for Star Wars collecting. I prefer the smaller, more locally relevant and overall friendlier community here. I am a member at RS, but have only a handful of posts. As others have mentioned, there does seem to be a significant amount of negativity that is prevalent on the RS forums, and although I have never been on the receiving end of it, I don't need to read it against others either. However, that is not the main reason that I don't use the RS forum that much. It's just too big and has too frequent of posts for me to keep up with on my infrequent visits. I like the "slower" pace of things here at Snowtroopers much better, as it allows me to keep up with all the threads of interest.

Buy/Sell/Trade Threads:
The only part of the RS forum that I still use - you can't beat the huge market of the American collecting community for buying, selling, or trading parts of your collection. While I keep my lists up-to-date here at Snowtroopers as well, and have bought many items through this site, it's Rebelscum's volume and activity that help get deals made if I'm really in the dealing mood. There may be negativity in the general forum posts there, but when it comes to doing business, I have never had a bad experience with anyone there (or here for that matter). The only bad thing I have to say is: I have spent way too much money in these places!

So there you have it, different sites have different uses to me, and these uses also seem to change over time. Hope that some of my feedback can help you guys at Rebelscum, Darth McAdam!
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2013, 02:58:54 AM »

Thanks Jim for moving it to Off Topic - that's probably where I should have put it in the first place, and thanks to all (and I mean all) of you that have so far contributed to this topic, and any that may continue to do so.

Sanjai; I took a look for the eFX thread to which you referred, but I don't know which one it is, so if you can please send me a link, I'll follow-up on that.

The point of starting this thread, as Thirdfloor rightly stated, was to garner opinions and feedback.  As I see it, the only way things can potentially change on RS, is if we know what complaints collectors and visitors to the site have.  I'm not interested in just hearing what the site does well, though it's helpful in as much as we know what we have to keep on doing, but we want to know where we can improve, and having you tell us, in no uncertain terms, seems to me to be a good place to start.  I don't consider what I've read in this thread to be badmouthing or gossiping; I solicited opinions, and I've receved them - simple as.

The fact that so many of you have spoken about the forums being a hive of scum and villainy doesn't surprise me, as I've heard that said many times before and to be honest, I really don't have an answer for you at this time.  Suffice it to say, that I visit Snowtroopers.ca on a daily basis, and I'm rarely on the RS forums, though I probably shouldn't be saying that!  Force of habit I guess...

I can't speak for Philip, but my understanding of his comment about people taking and not wanting to give is an attempt to engender a sense of community among those using the forums, by having people participate and socialise, and where it's a two-way street.  We know that there are those that simply scan the scout reports on Snowtroopers.ca so that they can scalp the toys that can often prove so hard to find, which is why the provincial boards are not open to everyone.  I'm not trying to suggest that (Thirdfloor) you're wrong to object to the TOS, or that you have to like Philip, but knowing what I do of him, I just want to try and put across a different point of view.  And if I'm not mistaken, Texans have a reputation for being straight shooters, right?

FETT1 (Jason is it?), your comment about ego also doesn't come as a surprise, though I can tell you that the change in some of the personnel over the past year will hopefully change that perception, despite what you may believe to the contrary.  After all, who was it that had their name plastered over pretty much every Star Wars collecting site last April 1st?  Having met all of the guys at CVI, I firmly believe that everyone of them is pulling for the team, and not seeking their own personal glory.  Who knows, I may be proven wrong in the long run, but right now the focus for everyone is to our readers and to making RS the best it can possibly be.

As for the US-centric content; well, the truth of it is that it is a US site, but as Darth Chadus pointed out, the Canadian focus has increased, and I'm doing my best to improve it further.

I've tried to respond to everyone's points, but if I've managed to overlook something, please don't hesitate to raise it again, either here, or through a PM.  Again, I appreciate the effort in responding to my request, and it wasn't my intention to alienate any of you, so my apologies if that is the case.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2013, 03:00:43 AM »

Hope that some of my feedback can help you guys at Rebelscum, Darth McAdam!

Absolutely!  Thanks Wedge!
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2013, 07:19:25 AM »

I can't speak for Philip, but my understanding of his comment about people taking and not wanting to give is an attempt to engender a sense of community among those using the forums, by having people participate and socialise, and where it's a two-way street.  We know that there are those that simply scan the scout reports on Snowtroopers.ca so that they can scalp the toys that can often prove so hard to find, which is why the provincial boards are not open to everyone.  I'm not trying to suggest that (Thirdfloor) you're wrong to object to the TOS, or that you have to like Philip, but knowing what I do of him, I just want to try and put across a different point of view.  And if I'm not mistaken, Texans have a reputation for being straight shooters, right?

You could be right in your view of his comment but I have two problems with his comment and approach.  The first is that a forum should be inviting and allow the natural growth of conversation and discussion through people feeling comfortable expressing their knowledge and opinions, people should not feel forced to choose between contributing and leaving, which is what he out-right stated.  My first problem is directly related to my second, which as I stated previously is that I don't see how discussing products that stopped being produced thirty years ago is going to have a super deep well left of new/interesting information (btw I'm speaking of only true vintage star wars items and the vintage section beause I've never used the modern section of the site due to wedge1021's comment of too many and frequent posts to want to/have the time to dig through them all).  In the past decade+ that rebelscum and other sites have existed most of the information on vintage star wars items has been discovered and discussed.  Not to say that the discussions can not continue but members, especially newbie members, shouldn't feel that they need to provide anything to feel a part of the community.  A forum is an educational tool and platform much like a school.  At a school you will have 300 students learning but there will be only ten teachers teaching.  A site shouldn't have to force or enforce a sence of community it should just be natural.
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