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Darth Cosmos

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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2015, 04:41:38 PM »

Haha wow, all the comments removed and more scalpers revealed themselves too.

Mods protecting scalpers as well.

This place is awful.  Like I said PMs only for links and locations.  Can't trust anyone here if the mods themselves are brushing our discussion under the table and wiping out all comments.

And that was polite, no one was being rude, and if you don't like the term scalper, well...that is what most of you are end of story.

Still waiting for those prices...

Also for those who talk about running around and picking up figures to sell, why the heck else would you do it other than wanting to make money?  I see very few people actually wanting to do people a solid but people wanting gas money, finders fee, etc. etc.

Ridiculous.

I don't like scalpers and find small vendors trying to scalp items offensive sorry.
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2015, 04:44:23 PM »

Nothing has been removed - read again. The locked post is the start of this discussion.

The access is granted at 50 posts or one year's membership. You're close - but I'm about done with you saying the place is awful. If you're not happy with what we're doing or how we operate, find another forum.
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2015, 04:46:25 PM »

The access is granted at 50 posts or one year's membership. You're close - but I'm about done with you saying the place is awful. If you're not happy with what we're doing or how we operate, find another forum.

Sorry, but from the perspective of someone who does not like scalpers and reselling there is nothing else to say but awful.

Just seems that plenty of high profile people here are scalpers/resellers and that includes the mods and their support.

Just because I don't like that doesn't mean my opinion should be invalidated sorry.  Scalping and reselling is awful, and Star Wars merchandise right before a new film is easy prey. 
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2015, 04:46:43 PM »

Why does everyone keep thinking MSRP is loosely followed.  What big retailer sells any for above the MSRP?

Wal-Mart, TRU, Amazon, etc, NONE SELL OVER MSRP.

So I am not sure why this keeps getting brought up as defense.

People in comic shops and such that sell them for over MSRP are scalping yes.  They know what they are selling is in high demand and low stock and purposely sell above MSRP because they know they can.

Regardless I have never paid over MSRP for anything in my SW collection or any collection I have.  So I am a big stickler when it comes to things being purposely overpriced to take advantage of collectors desperation.

Jakku Landspeeder
Toys R Us Price 36.99
http://www.toysrus.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=58237146

Walmart Price 47.92
http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/star-wars-the-force-awakens-375-inch-vehicle-jakku-landspeeder/6000192660478

Now, which is the MSRP? Who is scalping?
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2015, 04:48:20 PM »

Ok, you are totally missing the point on comic stores.  My friend owns one and he does not even bring in Star Wars or G.I.Joe toys (the only things I ever buy from him) unless someone pre-orders a whole case. (more on this later)

He is a smaller shop so he has to buy from Diamond Distributors.  Diamond get them from Hasbro.  They mark it up to sell to the comic stores.  The comic stores then mark it up to sell at the store.

They are not scalping as they more often than not cannot get the items directly from Hasbro.  They get it through other distribution channels that already mark up their product. 

Also, by your logic, Superstore is a scalper cause they sell the XWing for $69.99 whereas it's only $59.99 (I think) at TRU.

Back to comic shops, I know what they get their stuff for and honestly, what they charge is usually really reasonable if you know how much they pay.  The other thing to note, most get their stock from the US, and with the weak Canadian dollar.  There's a local shop selling some Black series (the older ones) for $27.99 because that was what they CDN dollar was back then.  Now the dollar is lower and the new wave of figures are $29.99.  I totally get that and it's not scalping to me. 

Then there are other instances that you point out, which is why my friend will only sell the figures in cases.  Due to Hasbro's crappy case loadouts, the comic retailers tend to sell out of the hard to get figures right away and are left with peg warmers.  I know a lot that will raise the price a little on the desired figure so that it makes up for the peg warmer either not selling or selling at a lower price.  My friend doesn't want to do that nor get left with crap that he can't sell, so that's why he will only sell 3 3/4" action figures by the case.

An example of scalping is the comic store owner hitting up every TRU every morning and grabbing all their desirable stock so no one else has a chance at getting them.  Then selling all that stuff at his store for a markup.  That's scalping, but the majority of shops get their stuff from distributors so their toys are more expensive than TRU because their distributors charge them more in the first place.

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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2015, 04:48:36 PM »

Why does everyone keep thinking MSRP is loosely followed.  What big retailer sells any for above the MSRP?

Wal-Mart, TRU, Amazon, etc, NONE SELL OVER MSRP.

So I am not sure why this keeps getting brought up as defense.

People in comic shops and such that sell them for over MSRP are scalping yes.  They know what they are selling is in high demand and low stock and purposely sell above MSRP because they know they can.

Regardless I have never paid over MSRP for anything in my SW collection or any collection I have.  So I am a big stickler when it comes to things being purposely overpriced to take advantage of collectors desperation.

Jakku Landspeeder
Toys R Us Price 36.99
http://www.toysrus.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=58237146

Walmart Price 47.92
http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/star-wars-the-force-awakens-375-inch-vehicle-jakku-landspeeder/6000192660478

Now, which is the MSRP? Who is scalping?

Its called sales, something scalpers don't do until they are desperate.  Wow the grasping at straws is amazing.

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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2015, 04:50:01 PM »

Ok, you are totally missing the point on comic stores.  My friend owns one and he does not even bring in Star Wars or G.I.Joe toys (the only things I ever buy from him) unless someone pre-orders a whole case. (more on this later)

He is a smaller shop so he has to buy from Diamond Distributors.  Diamond get them from Hasbro.  They mark it up to sell to the comic stores.  The comic stores then mark it up to sell at the store.

They are not scalping as they more often than not cannot get the items directly from Hasbro.  They get it through other distribution channels that already mark up their product. 

Also, by your logic, Superstore is a scalper cause they sell the XWing for $69.99 whereas it's only $59.99 (I think) at TRU.

Back to comic shops, I know what they get their stuff for and honestly, what they charge is usually really reasonable if you know how much they pay.  The other thing to note, most get their stock from the US, and with the weak Canadian dollar.  There's a local shop selling some Black series (the older ones) for $27.99 because that was what they CDN dollar was back then.  Now the dollar is lower and the new wave of figures are $29.99.  I totally get that and it's not scalping to me. 

Then there are other instances that you point out, which is why my friend will only sell the figures in cases.  Due to Hasbro's crappy case loadouts, the comic retailers tend to sell out of the hard to get figures right away and are left with peg warmers.  I know a lot that will raise the price a little on the desired figure so that it makes up for the peg warmer either not selling or selling at a lower price.  My friend doesn't want to do that nor get left with crap that he can't sell, so that's why he will only sell 3 3/4" action figures by the case.

An example of scalping is the comic store owner hitting up every TRU every morning and grabbing all their desirable stock so no one else has a chance at getting them.  Then selling all that stuff at his store for a markup.  That's scalping, but the majority of shops get their stuff from distributors so their toys are more expensive than TRU because their distributors charge them more in the first place.

Hahaha you're the person who I called out for scalping and then you made a lame excuse which everyone used as me misunderstanding and then you talked about your scalping and reselling here.

Please, I don't like scalpers and resellers sorry.  I don't care how much "cred" these people have here, what you do is unethical and wrong.
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2015, 04:50:09 PM »

Ok, I've decided you're purposefully causing trouble at this point. Thanks for your contributions.
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2015, 04:51:50 PM »

Why does everyone keep thinking MSRP is loosely followed.  What big retailer sells any for above the MSRP?

Wal-Mart, TRU, Amazon, etc, NONE SELL OVER MSRP.

In fact: http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=14958

And this is only one measly example for unimportant items like children's toys.
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2015, 04:52:18 PM »

Well, I am just done with this.

I have learned a lot of high profile people here, mods included, are either scalpers or support it, so I will make sure I do everything I can to not feed them.

This community has a scalper parasite but everyone is fine with it I guess.

Continue on.

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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2015, 04:53:57 PM »

Ok, I've decided you're purposefully causing trouble at this point. Thanks for your contributions.

Oh thank the maker!
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2015, 04:55:07 PM »

Why does everyone keep thinking MSRP is loosely followed.  What big retailer sells any for above the MSRP?

Wal-Mart, TRU, Amazon, etc, NONE SELL OVER MSRP.

So I am not sure why this keeps getting brought up as defense.

People in comic shops and such that sell them for over MSRP are scalping yes.  They know what they are selling is in high demand and low stock and purposely sell above MSRP because they know they can.

Regardless I have never paid over MSRP for anything in my SW collection or any collection I have.  So I am a big stickler when it comes to things being purposely overpriced to take advantage of collectors desperation.

Jakku Landspeeder
Toys R Us Price 36.99
http://www.toysrus.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=58237146

Walmart Price 47.92
http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/star-wars-the-force-awakens-375-inch-vehicle-jakku-landspeeder/6000192660478

Now, which is the MSRP? Who is scalping?

Its called sales, something scalpers don't do until they are desperate.  Wow the grasping at straws is amazing.

 :D

No those are the actual prices. If you go to the links you would see. If you went to the store you would see the same thing and the fact that it is 39.99 at Superstore as well. They are not on sale, that is the price these stores have set them at.
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2015, 05:00:00 PM »



Hahaha you're the person who I called out for scalping and then you made a lame excuse which everyone used as me misunderstanding and then you talked about your scalping and reselling here.

Please, I don't like scalpers and resellers sorry.  I don't care how much "cred" these people have here, what you do is unethical and wrong.

Did I ever say I do that?  I'm telling you how business is for these comic shops. If you can't understand the simple concept of distributors and the fact that in Canada, small businesses are usually at the mercy of the Canadian dollar, then there is no point discussing with you. 

I resent being called a scalper and I've helped others on here and Rebelscum and G.I.Joe forums on various occasions.  We might not actively go out looking for other people, but we remember what people want and if we see it while looking for ourselves, we may pick it up to help out someone on the forum.  It's called paying it forward just for when that forum member you helped finds something you need.

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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2015, 05:03:24 PM »

He won't be back to argue his points, Darth Woo. He came too close to attacking members personally.
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Re: State of the Forum: Scalping
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2015, 05:27:26 PM »

Also for those who talk about running around and picking up figures to sell, why the heck else would you do it other than wanting to make money?  I see very few people actually wanting to do people a solid but people wanting gas money, finders fee, etc. etc.

Ridiculous.

I don't like scalpers and find small vendors trying to scalp items offensive sorry.

Never said I'd do that. Selling these figures. Only to a friend in need, and at the price I paid, absorbing the mileage, gas and time. Because they would be friend. To anyone else? I wouldn't sell because I only buy what I need for my personal collection. Never bought to resell anything, and the few times I did was to get rid of some stuff, so at lower than retail prices, mostly. And honestly, right now, if you'd ask for help, I'd say sorry, I help my friends before I'd help anyone who insults me. I wouldn't even bother doing the math to try to repay my expenses.

But then again, you accusing people here proves my point. Respect is something you gain, not something you request out of people. Right now, I'd say you're being offensive and you don't deserve more than harsh comments from people here...

Sorry to hear you leaving. Guess your arrogance blinds to the point where you don't even want to try to learn who us people are. I'd say you're a very poor judge of character if you rely only on your own convictions to prove your point.

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