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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2017, 06:54:27 AM »

Great post! The experience of watching the movie I didn't really touch on - I kept asking myself "is this REALLY what's happening????" over and over and over. Since Episode I, my initial viewings have always sort of been painful while I process all the new info, I think that's CERTAINLY happening this time, more than ever before.
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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2017, 06:59:30 AM »

Overall, this was a good movie. I'm not sure I'm really feeling that right now, but the rational part of me says that it was. There were highs and lows, for sure. It will take many more viewings for me to really know where I place this in the Star Wars pantheon.


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I agree with a lot of the comments so far, both good and bad. Here are some of the things that stood out to me:

The Good:
The overall flow of the movie - this one did a better job of having the feel of ESB without remaking it than TFA did with Episode 4. The resistance starts on the run, they are on the run through the movie, and they end on the run. Overall, the good guys get their butts kicked, just like in ESB. The walker scene on the white planet (sure, it was salt and not snow) was a bit too much of a copy, but at least they didn't trip up the walkers with landspeeders.

The fight scenes were great, like Rey + Kylo versus the red guards. The "Luke" versus Kylo scene at the end was fine. In general, the action sequences were well done.

The humor was good. I rarely felt like they overdid it, although it was close at times. Overall, the tone was good.

The tie-ins with the recent books were good. There were some things from "The Legends of Luke Skywalker" like Luke using the Force with a giant long pole to catch fish, or even the whole idea of legends of Luke being told in pockets of the galaxy, like with the children at the end of the movie (I agree JJ - on first viewing, I couldn't quite be sure if he had used the force to get the broom or not, but I think he must have, otherwise why would that scene have been considered important enough to be the final scene?). Also, from the book Leia: Princess of Alderaan, we were introduced to the planet Crait, and the fact that it was an important rebel base, so that was cool to see it on screen. I haven't finished Phasma yet, so not sure if there are tie-ins there.

The bad:
The whole take on Luke was just not good enough for me. Admittedly, I come into this film with a lot of baggage, namely the EU. However, eben wiping that out, we saw a powerful Jedi emerging in ROTJ. To think that Luke never really did anything with his potential - he never succesfully trained even a single Jedi, unless we are now considering that Rey has completed her training? I just think this diminishes the whole arc of the PT/OT

Luke's death is borderline. I don't hate it, but I am disappointed we don't see more from Luke. I should have known better. However, like Bespin-81 says, everything doesn't have to be a twist. It looks like Luke survives, as it was only a projection, but then he dies and becomes one with the Force? Why? I am ok with twists that make sense - Kylo changing back and forth seemingly is real to me as he is conflicted. DJ changing back and forth feels the same - I see him as a Lando or Han type of character who is good at heart but has had to look out for number 1 his whole life, so doing the right thing doesn't ome easy for him. I expect we will see more of him in episode 9. But all of the other twists just seemed unecessary.

Captain Phasma being resurrected from her fiery grave of Starkiller base just to have 2 minutes of screen time before another fiery death? I just don't get it...

The Ugly:
Luke milking those whatever they were. Just weird. What a waste of a scene...

Leia surviving out in deep space for what seemed like a minute at least. I could MAYBE buy it if she got balsted out, but we see right away that she is using some force technique to maintain and air bubble or something and quickly pulls herself back in. But she was unconscious, and I don't think you can use the force when you are unconscious, so for her to have survived until she came too out in a vacuum at nearly absolute zero temperature is ridiculous.

The aliens in this weren't great. Most of them, like the porgs, the caretakers, and the ones on Canto Bight, just looked fake. I am used to cutting edge effects in Star Wars movies, so when I see subpar CG that makes aliens look almost like cartoons plopped onto the screen, it disappoints me.

That's all for now. The best thing about this for me, I think, is I am hoping now I can go and enjoy episode 9 much more. You may be wondering why, based on this review, but here is the reason: So much of my disappointment in 7 and 8 has come from expectations - what is Han's story, or Luke's story even more, as Luke was always my favorite. I wanted to see them romping across the galaxy, kicking some First Order butt, and being the heroes. I am less concerned about Leia, but even so, there can't be much in number 9 about her, as they have said they aren't going to use CG. So, the slate is now clean, and I can go in with no expectations, just allowing them to take these new characters wherever they are going to go, so I don't think I can be nearly as disappointed. Let's hope not, anyway

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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2017, 07:08:43 AM »

My son is very musical so both of us loved the John Williams mini documentary at the start. Absolutely amazing.

Leia - I was fully expecting that to be her death scene, her floating away like that. It was settled, heroic, tie a bow on it & write her off - it would/could/should have worked... but now she's still alive at least as far as the movies go & JJ Abrams gets to deal with that in IX.

As far as the aliens go, I liked the POV walk through the casino, but not as much as Maz's place in TFA. There were some neat looking critters there. I will be happy as always to get the visual dictionary so I can have a better look at some of them as many barely got flashed on the screen for any time at all.
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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2017, 09:13:02 AM »

The last Jedi for me at times had a few amazing parts that equaled the OT.  But most of it was awful & I would take the PT over most of it any day of the week.  I know what they are trying to do draw in a bigger audience by trying to appease everybody the masses.  But even though it looks & sounds like a SW movie,  set in the SW universe.  It sure does not feel at all like a SW movie.  It does have it's moments from time to time in the film but not enough of them to make it a good film.

I hope with my second viewing on Tuesday I will enjoy it much more but this movie left me conflicted so far I do not even know if I like it or hate it,  But I know for sure I rate it as the worst movie in the franchise.


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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2017, 09:23:41 AM »

Great comments guys.  I agree with everything being said.  After reading Bespin-81 comments - I think what he pointed out about all the changes in direction of what was happening - that probably is a bigger indication of this movie just did not know where it was going or at the very least how to get there.  I am pretty certain, based on the comment thus far that the majority of the fans on this site will be agreeing with PizzatheHutt that this is the worst movie in the franchise .  Time will tell and a second viewing is probably a good idea.
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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2017, 09:27:06 AM »

That's a tough one - if I could have TFA & LJ or I & II which would I pick? I will have to mull it over. AOTC has NOT aged well for me... the romance is just too terrible.
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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2017, 10:01:26 AM »

After seeing the movie last night, I agree with a lot of the comments here. This movie was a big let down in so many ways: plot, lack of character development (especially Snoke),  visuals, and classic characters acting out of character. It seems like this movie chose to ignore much of what came before. I really am wishing George Lucas either hadn't sold or at least that Disney had used his scripts. My dissatisfaction might just be because I have been a Star Wars fan for such a long time and the modern vision for Star Wars is moving beyond the old fans. I like to be able to go to a Star Wars movie and come out thinking it was fun. This did not happen with The Last Jedi.
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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2017, 11:04:23 AM »

I'm fully disappointed, the slow speed chase until the fleet ran out of gas seemed like a Zamboni race or something, don't get me stared on Leia flying, luke "died" pointlessly and it seems to me Disney wants to wipe away the old cast as quickly as possible. The first 5 minutes were a waste, I really really liked the yoda scene, a lot, and really cool of them to put harry potter in at the end!
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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2017, 11:12:05 AM »

The first 5 minutes being Poe's grandstand play? I thought that was ok. I liked the bombing sequence too. Too much time given to the chase but only when you compare it to how LITTLE time was given to Rey just being dropped off right outside Snoke's door without incident, and the dismissal of the actual codebreaker without so much as meeting the character. Time spent in weird places without a doubt.
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« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2017, 11:44:17 AM »

Hux's reactions to Poe, wasn't believable to me really, imagine Tarkin in the same position. the bombing was good, I guess part of my issue with the film was that there is little build up and follow through, dreadnaughts don't seem very scary after a few x wings and a bomber take it out.
I can't get my head around the fact that they built up snoke, then killed him with a gotcha then the epic battle was with his body guards??
the whole canto bight scene seemed like fill
BB8 piloted an AT ST, R2 and Chewie really might as well not shown up for this movie and I don't know about chewies life expectancy in the next film

I will give credit where it is due though, Hamill and Carrie Fisher acted amazingly well, and the Yoda/luke scenes was some of the best star wars parts I've seen since the original trilogy, I just wish the rest of the movie was deeper and more consistent with the star wars universe we all know and love
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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2017, 12:35:27 PM »

LET THE PAST DIE.... KILL IT..

Might as well change this to a spoiler thread! 

Major spoilers to follow.

When Luke says "This isn't going to end the way you think", he couldn't be more right.

I went into the move totally spoiler free, except for any trailers or tv spots.  And I'm glad I did because my biggest "kid" moment was when Yoda appeared.  I've been waiting for that for a long time.  But like most I'm torn.  Luke wasn't who I wanted him to be, and he didn't do enough to go out like that.  I think his ending was great actually - but he didn't do enough to get to that point.  I wanted to see "lasersword" fights!

Canadian Jedi mentioned that the Leia space walk was the weirdest Star Wars scene ever.  I would say, Luke milking the teats of that cow/walrus thing was the weirdest.  However it did feel a lot like Guardians of the Galaxy.

jj questioned if the kid at the end used the force, and yes he did.  I think it was trying to say 1) there is hope, 2) a jedi doesn't have to be a skywalker or kenobi.

So here is what I didn't like:
- Phasma shows up halfway through the movie only to get a spanking by Finn and fall to her death.  They built her up this year with a book and a comic run only for her to lose to someone with basic stormtrooper training.  She should be the baddest person in the army. 
- Was there a Willhelm scream?
- Snooke.  What the fart, man.  It's said that he was more powerful that Palpatine and Vader, but he gets mowed down like Maul?  I kept waiting for something to happen with him, a clone, a hologram, something... but no, he really was dead.  Before we even got to know him.  And for the record, I thought he was a good baddie.  So much potential. 
- Luke.  My idol.  I wanted to see you become the greatest jedi of all time.  I felt you were done a huge disservice. 
- Rey's parents.  I wanted her to be Luke's.
- No one answered the Ressistance's call.  After reading Bloodline - Leia had so many allies.  And where is freaking Lando!

Here is what I did like:
- Yoda.  Though, I didn't like him destroying the tree. 
- The humor was good, I had one laugh out loud moment but I don't remember what it was.
- Luke standing up to all of the walkers and taking fire.
- The Kylo vs Luke was great - but too short.  I wanted to see Luke do more jedi stuff.
- The 20 seconds Luke spent with Leia. 
- The introduction of astral projection.  It's awesome that Luke could do that but apparently it drains you life away. 

When I left the theater, I didn't know what I thought.  In comparison to Rouge One, I was thinking, "that was the Darth Vader scene that I've always wanted to see."  I guess I was more disappointed that Luke, Leia, and Han are all gone.  And if they are gone, what's left for me?  I'm sure Luke will come back as a force ghost in IX but it's not the same. 

One other disappointment was no Han Solo trailer.  I'm not looking forward to it, but I did want to see something from it, since it comes out in May. 

Well, I guess the only thing to do is go see it again and see how I feel then. 
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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2017, 01:20:26 PM »

...did they have the "I've got a bad feeling about this" line?

I can't remember it if they did.
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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2017, 02:54:08 PM »

Canadian Jedi mentioned that the Leia space walk was the weirdest Star Wars scene ever.  I would say, Luke milking the teats of that cow/walrus thing was the weirdest.  However it did feel a lot like Guardians of the Galaxy.

Luke milking the island cows was a weird scene.   

Leia flying through space was really one of crappiest scenes ever shot in Star Wars history.   And of course if they knew she was going to die they should have let her drive the space ship into the bigger space ship. 

Just want to make sure I am bringing properly quoted I stated milking Island cows was a weird scene you stated it was the weirdest - I think we are in agreement on this.

Leia flying through space was not weird it was crappy.  :P
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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2017, 03:31:27 PM »

Canadian Jedi mentioned that the Leia space walk was the weirdest Star Wars scene ever.  I would say, Luke milking the teats of that cow/walrus thing was the weirdest.  However it did feel a lot like Guardians of the Galaxy.

Luke milking the island cows was a weird scene.   

Leia flying through space was really one of crappiest scenes ever shot in Star Wars history.   And of course if they knew she was going to die they should have let her drive the space ship into the bigger space ship. 

Just want to make sure I am bringing properly quoted I stated milking Island cows was a weird scene you stated it was the weirdest - I think we are in agreement on this.

Leia flying through space was not weird it was crappy.  :P

Yes, sorry we are in agreement. 

The whole time I'm thinking, "well this is how she goes out", and I was starting to accept it.  But then it turned into the scene from Guardians of the Galaxy.  It was nice knowing that she can use the force though. 
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« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2017, 03:44:54 PM »

Just saw it and my feeling after was:
A film that was simultaneously peppered with fun and squandered opportunities.

And the pacing was just god awful.

Makes TFA look like a masterpiece IMO, at least JJ knew how to recycle and to take that recycled stuff and pace and frame and edit and get most of the motivation to feel semi-believable.

My biggest question is: Will the younglings like it? If so, then perhaps Disney is just going their way and if it works for everybody but the old fogeys then so be it. They probably won't be losing any sleep over it.

Best moments the Kylo and Rey thing...sort of...Snoke went down WAYYYYYY too easily, especially given the rumours that he was this uber-powerful dark force user. And then Kylo went back to being angry boy WAYYYY too easily. But the moment where they almost joined forces to become something "new" (ok "newish") had me hopeful. Until it all fell to pieces.

And Rey's origin is interesting in hindsight. At the time it felt like a massive let down but then I thought...if I hadn't been expecting an ESB level reveal would I have found it so strange? And I thought, no, it is kind of interesting actually. If I was a kid and was just living with "nobody" parents in a "nowhere" situation...maybe I'd find it inspiring. I know that I found Luke interesting instinctively as a kid in the first film because he wasn't "destined" right off the bat. He was a farm boy with big dreams!
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