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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #135 on: December 29, 2017, 11:48:49 PM »

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The way I see it, Battle Star Galactica was a rip off of Star Wars. And so was TFA and TLJ.  I just think Battle Star Galactica was a better rip off than TFA and TLJ.     :u:

mmmm...but I do like a good ham sandwich  :P , might have to revise my list.
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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #136 on: December 30, 2017, 12:23:21 AM »

ANH
ESB
ROTJ
TFA (ahead of RO for me only because it felt like a fresh start IMO)
RO
TLJ
Droids
ROTS
Ewok movies (nostalgia)
Holiday special (nostalgia)
TPM
AOTC

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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #137 on: December 30, 2017, 02:19:45 AM »

ANH
ESB
ROTJ
R1
TLJ
RotS
AotC
TPM
TFA
(insert eps9 here)

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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #138 on: December 30, 2017, 09:05:15 AM »

I just went on Rottentomatoes to see where the rating is now.  They are up to 160,000 votes and a 51% rating.  When reading through the comments, this time, most are from real fans who are disappointed, but there are some from "whites are the best glee club". Those reviews stand out like a sore thumb.   
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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #139 on: December 30, 2017, 11:03:32 AM »

I saw Rogue One with the kids (first time for them) the other day.

I always liked it but appreciate it even more now. Still not perfect but in my top 4 for sure.

My son (age 5) saw K2SO and immediately advised me he is a bad guy cause of the symbol on his arm. I am a proud pappa! : )

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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #140 on: December 30, 2017, 06:14:09 PM »

ANH
ESB
ROTJ
TFA
R1
RotS
TLJ
TPM



AotC

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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #141 on: December 30, 2017, 07:30:08 PM »

ANH
ESB
ROTJ
R1
TLJ
TFA
ROTS
TPM
AOTC

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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #142 on: December 31, 2017, 10:38:38 AM »

ESB
ANH
ROTJ
RO & ROTS   Keep flip flopping these two so a tie for now
TPM
TFA
AOTC
TLJ
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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #143 on: January 10, 2018, 09:42:26 AM »

Saw it again last night (regular...I'm going to have to get to an IMAX screening before it is gone!).

Still really really like it. Was worried the fact I last saw it with my kids might have had an undue influence on me!

I was actually impressed by how they handled Rey/Luke. How subtle it actually was. I realized I had assumed Luke sensed Rey at the end of TFA. And so much of his discovery of her powers went over my head! He just sees her as an envoy of Leia until she goes to the tree on her own and even then he doesn't really know how much power she contains. I also think Luke works in the context of his character just fine. I think he was perhaps more scarred by his experiences than we all realized. It was pretty heavy what he went through, a lot of responsibility and sense of duty was dumped on him and...he started to succumb since he is human and his failure with Ben/Kylo really broke him (he was indecisive at precisely the wrong time and it cost him his nephew and all his other students (except those that left with Kylo).

My least favorite section remains the Canto Bight stuff. It just feels like it wasn't pushed as far as it could have been towards something more "realistic" rather than caricatured and that it got dumbed-down for kids for no good reason...kids would have been cool with it if it had been less Disney-romp-esque I think and cooler overall, darker in some ways.

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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #144 on: January 10, 2018, 07:35:59 PM »

Saw it again last night (regular...I'm going to have to get to an IMAX screening before it is gone!).

Still really really like it. Was worried the fact I last saw it with my kids might have had an undue influence on me!

I was actually impressed by how they handled Rey/Luke. How subtle it actually was. I realized I had assumed Luke sensed Rey at the end of TFA. And so much of his discovery of her powers went over my head! He just sees her as an envoy of Leia until she goes to the tree on her own and even then he doesn't really know how much power she contains. I also think Luke works in the context of his character just fine. I think he was perhaps more scarred by his experiences than we all realized. It was pretty heavy what he went through, a lot of responsibility and sense of duty was dumped on him and...he started to succumb since he is human and his failure with Ben/Kylo really broke him (he was indecisive at precisely the wrong time and it cost him his nephew and all his other students (except those that left with Kylo).

My least favorite section remains the Canto Bight stuff. It just feels like it wasn't pushed as far as it could have been towards something more "realistic" rather than caricatured and that it got dumbed-down for kids for no good reason...kids would have been cool with it if it had been less Disney-romp-esque I think and cooler overall, darker in some ways.

100% agree with all you said. That's exactly how I feel with the Luke-Rey scenes. As well as the Canto Bight sequence who definitely is the weakest sub-plot of the movie. The whole Fathiers sub-plot and the way Rose preaches to Finn, focusing on animals treatment rather than being angry and motivated with vengance after the death of her sister really troubled me. The whole "Fathier escape run" leading to the green valley ending scene felt like a Harry Potter kinda storyline. Not something one would expect in a Star wars movie. It was simply too light toned for the movie and way too childish for SW in general. The worse part in any SW movie IMHO. Far worse than Jar Jar sticking out his tongue, almost equal to the farting scene of TPM.

Nonetheless, I watched the movie 4 times, the first two within the first 6 hrs on December 14-15, then with my oldest daughters (16 & 18yo) and last Saturday with my youngest two daughters (7 and 9 yo). I have to say it's better with each viewing. The bad parts are not improving, but the good parts are getting better. :) Not my top movie, but not my worse.
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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #145 on: January 10, 2018, 09:23:02 PM »

I will go with:

ANH
ESB
ROJ
ROTS
Rogue One
TPM
AOTC
BSG
TFA
TLJ

LOL, did you put Battlestar Galactica on your Star Wars list? For shame, you know mixing sci-fi franchises is a serious offence!  :rollfloorlaffsmiley:

The kids and I watched the Holiday Special for the first (and will be ONLY) time the other day.
I have toyed with the idea of listing that higher than TFA/TLJ, but I just can't bring myself to do it.
I do equate them with each other as far as my own "head canon" goes - they never happened.

I think for me, the measure of whether a new SW film is good or not is how it makes me feel about the originals. Does it add something or make me look at the OT films in a different way or with greater appreciation? Then it's a good addition to the franchise. It should build up and compliment the originals, not actively try to tear them down and stomp all over them. While one could argue that parts of the prequels messed with the OT a bit, I think overall they made me look at the OT films a bit differently and read some scenes in a new way - ROTS in particular did that. In a similar way, Rogue One helped to raise ANH to a higher level in my mind - it was easily my least favourite of the OT films but now I'd happily put it against any film in the saga.

ROTJ
Rogue One & ANH
ESB
ROTS
TPM
AOTC
some fan films
a ham sandwich
TFA
TLJ & The Holiday Special
I love the list - not that I agree completely, but I do like a good ham sandwich :winking0071:

For me, its:
ROTJ
ESB
ANH
R1
ROTS
TPM
TLJ
TFA
AOTC

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« Reply #146 on: January 25, 2018, 02:48:53 PM »

This io9.com article basically confirms what I think most fans should either have already known (especially when it comes to JJAbrams' stupid mystery boxes) or should've guessed after watching TLJ: there was never, ever any real idea as to who Rey's parents were going to be when making TFA...

https://io9.gizmodo.com/rian-johnson-considered-every-option-before-choosing-re-1822413324

Moreover, this quote from the talkback section:
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It’s been mentioned in earlier interviews following opening weekend that while Abrams left it open-ended, he had no answer and that he came to agree with Rian’s idea that they were nobody during the pre-production for TLJ.

I’m sure people will still believe that there may be a bigger answer to be revealed and it’s all a ruse, which is possible. But it’s looking like any belief that there’s a bigger reveal is akin to speculating that Vader was lying about being Luke’s father post-ESB but pre-ROTJ.

While I understand anyone who felt let down that Rey wasn't related to anyone big (although I had hoped she'd be Luke's daughter or the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker to come back and atone for the evil of his past life) the ultimate answer that she's a nobody is a great reveal. I would still wish in eps9 that we at least learn that Luke had a wife (Mara) who gave birth to a kid, BUT that while a Skywalker, maybe he turned out to be pleasantly ordinary and Force-less... but still had to get put into hiding because evil baddies would never believe this and would still try to kidnap the kid to exploit his supposed strong connection to the Force.
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Re: STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI
« Reply #147 on: January 25, 2018, 09:46:15 PM »

Finally took my wife and kids to see if a few nights ago.  It was my 3rd and probably final time to see it in the theater.  I have to say, I loved every minute of it.  It gets better with each viewing.  My kids, 12 & 10, are not Star Wars fans but loved it.  My wife had no opinion other than it was so long.  She never comments about Star Wars movies other than to say she only goes because she loves me.  Our first one was AOTC way back when we were dating.  Hard to believe that was 16 years ago.... where does the time go.
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« Reply #148 on: January 26, 2018, 02:28:12 PM »

While I am among those many who felt that the Canto Bight scenes were incredibly boring, this write-up offers some great insight about why it was included and how it affects Finn's (badly-needed) character development in TLJ:

http://eleven-thirtyeight.com/2018/01/a-man-who-wants-to-run-finns-character-arc-in-the-last-jedi/

Here's the most important part:

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While the Canto Bight subplot has been seen as “useless” to some, it is absolutely vital to Finn’s shift in character. Up until this point, he’s been doing everything in his power to leave the Resistance. Of course, he has a conscience, and he wants to make sure Rey is safe before he ventures off.

In this mission, Finn sees two potential outcomes for himself: Rose is who he will become if he joins the Resistance and DJ is who he could become if he runs away. He can sell his knowledge to the highest bidder and live a rich life amongst the wealthy elite or he can tear down the system and fight injustice.
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« Reply #149 on: January 26, 2018, 05:06:03 PM »

I don't subscribe to that at all. I felt that by the end of TFA he was "all in" because of his emotional attachment to Rey. For the entirety of TLJ he's a full fledged "Resistance Hero", in my mind. The only time he's looking to ditch them is because he's trying to keep Rey safe which is critical to the mission of the Resistance.
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