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Title: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: DarthDerek on February 15, 2019, 02:42:19 PM
New Kenner style figures coming........"SAY WHAT NOW!?!"

Link to news via Yakface.com
http://yakfaceforums.com/main/2019/02/15/a-new-retro-figure-line-coming-soon/
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: napseeker on February 15, 2019, 04:25:33 PM
I would buy this 1000% if Hasbro does it right (avoid all sequel trilogy characters... at least for now, focus on OT and PT).

Arrgh. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!!!





Narrator: He is lying. He was never out. Napseeker will be collecting until they put him in a coffin shaped like a giant lightsaber hilt.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Darth Woo on February 15, 2019, 05:24:47 PM
My favourite vintage figure was Jedi Luke.  If they redo him, I think I would get him.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: DarthDerek on February 15, 2019, 05:31:34 PM
I would buy this 1000% if Hasbro does it right (avoid all sequel trilogy characters... at least for now, focus on OT and PT).

Arrgh. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!!!





Narrator: He is lying. He was never out. Napseeker will be collecting until they put him in a coffin shaped like a giant lightsaber hilt.
😄...narration is a nice touch.

It will be very interesting to see what is proposed tommorow.  I wonder if this is the reason hasbro pulled the "KENNER" logo from Gentle Giant with their 12 inch repo figures.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: JediPatrick on February 15, 2019, 06:49:35 PM
Sorry but f** it.

I mean, I think it's quite obvious now where this leads to:

1) Hasbro will drop the Super articulated TVC 3.75" line.
2) New "nostalgia" vintage-style 3.75" line will now be a 5POA vintage-Kenner style on vintage cardback line.
3) Basic 3.75" figure line for current movies and entertainment release will be 5POA
4) They will reserve the super articulated format of figures to the awful 6" Black Series figures.

Basically, they will finally do what they tried to do during Steve Evans' reign over the SW brand: get rid of the SA 3.75" figure line once and for all.

Thanks Hasbro. It's been a very cool decade. Now let's all rejoice that Hyperreal 8" Darth Vader at 100$. Because you're made of fans Hasbro, you know what fans truly want (this is literally what they said on their Instagram account today). You prove it day after day with awesome products like repacks of repainted repacks (like that 41st Clone Trooper and its 3rd paint variant) and products we never asked for...

Very very lame...

Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: old man ben on February 15, 2019, 06:57:06 PM
As much as I love the original vintage figures I don’t think I need more of them.  I am very interested to see if they are giving them some kind of new twist.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: bob on February 15, 2019, 07:13:34 PM
 i like the idea but the real vintage 5poa figs will always be the best. even if these are near identical its still not the old ones so it will never be the same.

JediPatrick has a point too. people bitched about them ditching 3.75'' SA figures and they slowly let it linger around in a lame way, now they throw this idea at us from a new ''vintage'' angle. (if they even put them on Vintage cardbacks) its kind of a back handed compliment or something. if its the only way to make them 10 dollars again then i cant totally complain.

 20 bucks for TVC so far hasnt been working by the looks of it. this might be they only way they can save TVC if thats what they are trying to do. will see what mess they bring this weekend! :D
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Darth Cujo on February 15, 2019, 08:48:37 PM
While this is out of the blue it makes some sense from their perspective. I'm curious to see the character selection. Tarkin and a Sandtrooper come to mind as ones missing from the original line.

What is most interesting is that this line was asked about way back in early VOTC days and Hasbro repeatedly said no. That that wasn't a direction they wanted to go. Perfect indication of how things change with time and what was off limits at one time is now a possibility.

 I'm intrigued but it will depend on a lot of factors. Character selection and price will be the main factors.

It may be part of a move to phase out the SA line but who knows. Part of me thinks this is part of a shotgun approach with all these scales and variations within a scale . I really feel like action figures as a toy for kids is almost dead and Hasbro is desperate to try and stay relevant. So they're trying all kinds of stuff to see what works, maybe all leading up to their renegotiation for the licence.

Personally I just wish they would finally complete the remakes of the original run (still no Sim Aloo). Then it could all stop and I'd be happy.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: DarthDerek on February 15, 2019, 09:09:01 PM
Has it been said they would be 3.75"?  I have heard in the forums that 5poa will change to 5" scale.  Could this be this talked about 5" scale?  Kind of like Gentle Giants bread n butter , but smaller.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Darth Cujo on February 15, 2019, 09:37:12 PM
Has it been said they would be 3.75"?  I have heard in the forums that 5poa will change to 5" scale.  Could this be this talked about 5" scale?  Kind of like Gentle Giants bread n butter , but smaller.

The line that says "designed to match the original Kenner figures" makes me think it's the same 3.75" scale.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: DarthDerek on February 15, 2019, 10:30:30 PM
Has it been said they would be 3.75"?  I have heard in the forums that 5poa will change to 5" scale.  Could this be this talked about 5" scale?  Kind of like Gentle Giants bread n butter , but smaller.

The line that says "designed to match the original Kenner figures" makes me think it's the same 3.75" scale.
Hmmmm......
I mean we will find out in 24 hours, but to me if they start making 3.75 Kenner figures that were missing like Tarkin, Rebel fleet trooper , Sandtrooper etc. Do they also remake all the originals like that Classic POTF2 4pack?  I don't think they would duplicate them exactly, size wise. 
But at 5" they can sell all the original figures plus more.  And maybe creatures and ships aswell.

Just like the Black series 6" 40th anniversary figures and cards. They flew of the pegs.
We will see tomorrow.  :P

Who dosent want a 5" Kenner Gonk, FX-7, Deathstar droid?
You know you'd want it !.......lol. :u:
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Canadian Jedi on February 15, 2019, 11:35:59 PM
If the made exact duplicates on exact duplicate cards - I would buy at least 1 of each.   I don't have vintage figures on card backs so I would be interested in this.   I would rather see Hasbro sell these direct to us like the Vintage Sail Barge.   
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: jmac on February 16, 2019, 06:44:39 AM
Since I've had nearly all of the original Kenner figures since I was a kid, I would probably only get figures that I don't have like Yak Face or blue Snaggletooth if they get to those. This is very cool though for people who weren't around back then or want mint copies of these figures
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: old man ben on February 16, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
Judging by the picture of Princess Leia Retro figure on Yakface this morning these look to be exact duplicates of the original vintage figures.  The cardback even seems to have a”worn” look about them.  No mention about scale or price though.  Perhaps on the Target website?
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: JediPatrick on February 16, 2019, 08:55:51 AM
Judging by the picture of Princess Leia Retro figure on Yakface this morning these look to be exact duplicates of the original vintage figures.  The cardback even seems to have a”worn” look about them.  No mention about scale or price though.  Perhaps on the Target website?

They'll be sold at 10$USD.

Now the main concerns are:

1) People might try to scam buyers into thinking these are genuine vintage Kenner figures once removed from their blister cards. But I'm sure Hasbro will put their mark somewhere to make sure this doesn't happen. Just gets a bit tricky now bying loose vitnage figures on eBay, you'll need a visual proof...

2) The retailers. They might think they carry the TVC line, but they will just carry the Retro Vintage line products. So it creates confusion for both the vendors and the customers. Usually not good. It will dilute the market...

I get it that Hasbro is into nostalgia. They're doing it this year for Transformers, bring back the G1 toys in their retro packaging and all. But was it a true desire? Well it seems Hasbro really knows what we want. Because I'm sure people will be buying all of these. I'm not sure I will, haven't been really into Vintage MOC figures, too expensive for my taste and nowhere to display them. So maybe I'll be getting just a few. But maybe not. But then again, maybe so. You see? They're playing with our minds...

Hasbro is a big well established toys business. They know their stuff. They'll see us jumping all around to get these.

Damn them. Why not give us brand new TVC products?  :shakehead:
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: ambasah on February 16, 2019, 09:00:29 AM
if these are copies of the toys I had as a child, I am 100% in for all of them.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Darth Cujo on February 16, 2019, 09:04:41 AM
Target had the first wave up for preorder and sold out already. Along with the TVC stormtrooper Han. I'm hoping someone will bring that target exclusive to Canada.

As for these retro figures, they're mostly nice. I actually really dislike the fake wear around the edges. And are they going to have the big ugly red circle saying Retro on the card backs?  I get its kinda reminiscent of the old offers but I hated those too. Takes away from the image on the card. And $10 is about $2 too high a price on these. No reason they should be more than the current 5poa line. I'd like to hear hasbro's explanation on that.

Anyway criticisms aside I will likely grab these. I do like the idea. But I did think they would be rolling out missing characters alongside some of the originals. I would love a tarkin, rebel fleet trooper and Sandtrooper in this style.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: DarthVader77 on February 16, 2019, 01:24:46 PM
(http://www.theforce.net/2019/retro-star-wars-figures.jpg)
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: DarthVader77 on February 16, 2019, 01:31:54 PM
I remember the furor the Classic Edition 4-Pack caused back in 1995. Many of the concerns proved true as many unsuspecting loose collectors back in the 90s (and even up to today) were duped into paying inflated amounts for a modern day figure instead of a true 1970s/1980s version of the figure.

(http://outoftheboxxtoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/s-l1600-23.jpg)

I'm not 100% sure about these. They're all right, but the TVC approach that Hasbro had (new figures/old card design) I liked better. There are enough loose original Kenner figures around these days, and the negative impacts that these reissues (when loose) could have on collectors and general consumers could be high.

If these are the final product, it's funny that the cards appear to be scarred/beaten-up.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: DarthVader77 on February 16, 2019, 01:44:08 PM
One additional point - the reason I feel that the current TVC line is failing is due to the Last Jedi and the playability associated with the characters. Regardless of how you feel about the movie, the characters available on TVC cards from the Last Jedi didn't really do much in the film. Snoke - sits around and gets cut in half; Luke Jedi - stands around and talks; the only one that was interesting was the Hoth Rebel Trooper - the only figure from the original trilogy in the TVC line. Additionally - the only 6" black series figures that are selling well are the original trilogy figures. I'm *still* trying to find Dengar/Lando Skiff/Leia Hoth while tonnes of DJs, Poes and Finns clog the pegs. The original trilogy stories and the excitement that they generated really lent playability and excitement to the toys. The current films - not so much, which is why Hasbro is taking a hit. I think that these retro figures are a move to recapture that excitement from older fans while introducing new fans to the original line as well.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: DarthVader77 on February 16, 2019, 09:03:53 PM
Ah, they're releasing a vintage-style Tarkin. Very nice:

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52016068_1055027288017302_163955957003452416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=532f9733aa2cef55d366d7693fb9adb1&oe=5CF38D5B)
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: darthric on February 16, 2019, 10:48:43 PM
Easy easy pass for me !

 :snowtroopers:
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: bob on February 16, 2019, 11:57:33 PM
if these are going to be 12 in canada they are going to fly off the shelves. a target exclusive though ? that sucks. someones gotta sell that here or we are getting royally screwed! :S
 
 i like them. Leia looks great! agreed that big red 'retro'' bubble should be smaller. i do wonder what they are up to with this. is it a thought to get rid of SA TVC ? sales permitting im sure. hmm. or just more exclusives for SA tvc and this will take over. unless this is just a short lived thing. i donno
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: fishfan on February 17, 2019, 11:55:39 AM
Fingers crossed that either TRU or EB picks them up.  Or both..
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: jmac on February 17, 2019, 09:26:01 PM
What's the deal with all the Target exclusives? Hopefully Toys R Us steps up here. I think I would have trouble passing on the game with Tarkin if it comes here.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Canadian Jedi on February 17, 2019, 11:24:32 PM
If these are the final product, it's funny that the cards appear to be scarred/beaten-up.

That's just the new standard for packaging at HASBRO - either bent like hell or extreme shelf wear .  This new standard allows Amazon or Walmart to take your carded figures and stuff them in an envelop and you will no longer be able to return the item for product damage.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Darth Cujo on February 18, 2019, 07:28:34 AM
The fake wear on the cards is lame. This is their attempt at mimicking the worn clothing look. But with clothing there's at least some logic. It's theoretically cooler to wear a shirt with a worn logo because it shows you're not just a noob or a bandwagon jumper. A worn t-shirt is actually desirable. Worn cardbacks on Star wars cards is actually undesirable. It's like hasbro is adding something to try and make it look cool but they're doing the exact opposite. Perfect example of how they make an attempt and yet manage to miss the boat. Just like how they brought back vintage and yet the character selection caused them to miss the boat.

   
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: old man ben on February 18, 2019, 09:31:09 AM
My main concern with these retro figures is that they will lessen the demand for the originals and thus reduce their value.  A watered down market is not good for any collector - not that I am in any hurry to sell off my own vintage collection.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: bob on February 18, 2019, 05:17:36 PM
  ya, i like them but the worn out look is cheese. i didnt care for that but the rest of it is ok so i looked past it a bit. if that RETRO 'sticker' is that big that sucks too but im still in cause they are cool mostly.

 a worn out band shirt, i get what your saying. i have older tool shirts i stopped wearing cause there too worn out. ive liked them since 93 when i saw them at the 2nd stage at palooza in Barrie,Ont. what an intense experiance! life changing! but a worn out shirt sucks to me ;) nothing to do with all that other stuff. hehe

 ive seen other people commenting it will devalue there true vintage on FB and now here too.. is that all that matters sorta is how much its worth ? O o these are new versions. its still not the same as the originals. i guess some people must of payed way too much for there figures if they feel that way about this new line.

 we might not even get it in canada anyway. dooh! :p
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Wedge1021 on February 18, 2019, 11:57:45 PM
I think for the people that want to buy the actual vintage figures, it will make no difference. All it does is weed out the people who want some representation of the vintage-style in their collection, but would never pay the price to buy actual vintage or go through all the work of tracking down good specimens for a low price. It's also a cheaper way to enjoy the figures without needing to crack open that MOC vintage figure collection.

This coming from a collector who couldn't care less about vintage, retro or anything else 5POA  :winking0071:

Except the vintage card backs. Those are awesome!  :love0030:
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: bob on February 19, 2019, 12:16:32 AM
 well said! i have a lot of loose vintage figs. a lot from when i was a kid but i also filled some holes from fb groups a few years back. so plenty of real vintage loose but im into getting some of those carded. those MOC are awesome and ill probably just leave them as is and display the real vintage in and around the new fake ones!

 your right i think. it wont really affect anything truely vintage. some might try to rip someone off. i get that but they will be stamp marked so no ones going to get away with that.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: cash_fan on February 19, 2019, 12:44:33 AM
Well, I for one will be headed across the border in May to pick up a set of these. 
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: neospike on February 19, 2019, 04:26:30 AM
They did mention that they were going to be just a tad bigger than original figures as to differentiate them.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Eradicator on February 19, 2019, 11:21:40 AM
That big red fake looking sticker needs to be much smaller. It really takes away from the card. I am ok with the fake looking weathering. I wonder if the weapons will be the same. While the figures will be easy to differentiate from the originals because of a date stamp, weapons will not. This could flood the market with "repo" weapons for lack of a better term. How will I be able to tell if Han's blaster is from 1978 or 2019? Maybe they will be a big different colour. That would help.

I don't think the value of the vintage figures will decrease.

Ugh, almost everything seems to be exclusive these days. I hate trying to buy the exclusives.
The skiff will awesome next to the Barge. I am looking forward to that.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: bob on February 19, 2019, 10:46:30 PM

 ya, repro weapons is a problem with a lot of people. i honestly dont care about that and even bought some repro off ebay for my loose vintage figs cause they mostly have no weapons. id never try to sell them off as real though either and plan on keeping them for my own display purposes.

 i do have some real ones from the old days and i already thought about making sure i know what ones are what. ha! :) so i get the concern.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: Darth Woo on February 19, 2019, 11:21:06 PM
That big red fake looking sticker needs to be much smaller.

Too bad it's not actually a sticker. I read that its printed as part of the card.
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: jmac on February 20, 2019, 07:46:19 AM
So which never before made characters you would everyone like to see after Tarkin? When I was a kid i always wished there was a cantina band member, a Rebel Soldier and Han in Stormtrooper outfit from A New Hope. I can't think of any significant missing characters from The Empire Strikes Back. From Return of the Jedi, Luke in his Death Star duel outfit, Darth Vader with removable helmet and maybe an Ishi Tib from Jabba's palace. Ishi Tib appeared in the Kenner colouring books, and I always wondered where the figure was! 
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: jjreason on February 20, 2019, 12:40:44 PM
I always wanted a white protocol droid from the Hoth base, for no real reason. Typing it here, I suppose it would have been quite easy to customize with some liquid paper.  :speechless-smiley-004:
Title: Re: New Kenner style/sculpt figure line by hasbro.
Post by: bob on February 20, 2019, 07:07:59 PM
That big red fake looking sticker needs to be much smaller.

Too bad it's not actually a sticker. I read that its printed as part of the card.

 ya, you could tell it was printed on. i could anyway, if thats going to be the size thats wrong. someone said its not going to take up half the card but i cant see how if thats what they had on display unless they realized it before it was made for mass production. wont be long till we see. too many exclusives these days

 the GG tvc is exclusive now too. wth! i got two from TRU back in 2013 so that still is awesome. i put a lot effort to get those too. hasbro sucks now. money money money.